From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAWq4-0000lr-Id for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:06:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GK5dCs012971; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:05:39 GMT Received: from beefy.two-pebbles.com (beefy.two-pebbles.com [80.249.110.200]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GK3IRp010050 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:03:18 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:02:07 +0100 From: Peter Weller To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes Message-ID: <20070716210207.0f1b8508@Aristotle.01welp.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Foundation X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.13; i486-gentoo-freebsd6.2) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_rBK5YY1yaZzma49tdc9CLp3; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Virus-Scanner: CLEAN - This message does not contain a known virus. X-Archives-Salt: 8ea405bd-dd7a-4eb1-8ec1-a841705c67ea X-Archives-Hash: 3576f638584aa318149081c52f668562 --Sig_rBK5YY1yaZzma49tdc9CLp3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:24:32 -0700 Mike Doty wrote: > All- >=20 [..snip..] >=20 > We're voting on this next council meeting so if you have input, now > would be the time. >=20 > --taco Eeer, I think this is one of the most idiotic ideas I've heard since I started using Gentoo. As I've seen before in various projects, a blacklist is *much* easier to maintain than a whitelist, it makes *much* more sense to get a team of people (not necessarily developers?) to moderate the Mailing Lists, to a standard, complete, set of rules - was the CoC complete when the Proctors started? Could this be why the idea didn't work originally? A Mailing List should be treated like the forums and IRC, those who misbehave get a warning. Then if they continue, a ban. They had their chance, they fucked up, sod them. And now there's people polluting the Mailing List with the freakin' weather in what seems to be some form of a protest to the ML changes. This is stupid. Don't make the changes. Make a complete set of rules for moderation, appoint a suitable team of developers (and users?) to moderate the mailing list, make sure that they've had experience in moderation. Pick moderators from various timezones to ensure a timely stop to any potential flamewars. Teach the people using the mailing list that there is NO excuse for misbehaviour. A ban is a ban, you can't get around it. No bribing high-up council members or devrel members to get you unbanned. This will bring about a fall in the system. The moderators should get the final word, end of. Keep discussions *technical*, attempt not to bring personal differences into the public. Take it off-list, just as you would PM someone on the forums or IRC. It's the same thing. Anyway, those are just my 2 cents. welp --Sig_rBK5YY1yaZzma49tdc9CLp3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGm87Eii3l5JTHwkcRAtkjAJsGUk9l93a4yjy/prWNF8c5OzbvuQCcD9fI HISPD1SKaRIl4UqRpusc+MA= =3KCD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_rBK5YY1yaZzma49tdc9CLp3-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list