From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAUMP-0008Aa-9R for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:27:49 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GHQOQN008409; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:26:24 GMT Received: from blob.mailstation.de (ftp.mailstation.de [87.139.47.139]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GHOU1P006112 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:24:30 GMT Received: from janus.mailstation.de (janus.mailstation.de [192.168.168.10]) by blob.mailstation.de (8.14.1/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l6GHOa6P017688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:24:38 +0200 From: "Wulf C. Krueger" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:21:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <469B76A8.20301@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3920363.0pRtZfN811"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200707161921.12566.philantrop@gentoo.org> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (blob.mailstation.de [192.168.168.30]); Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:24:38 +0200 (CEST) X-mailstation-de-MailScanner-Information: Scanned using: F-Prot, ClamAv, Bitdefender X-mailstation-de-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mailstation-de-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-mailstation-de-MailScanner-From: philantrop@gentoo.org X-mailstation-de-MailScanner-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 0934477c-9992-44ba-863c-2ae3ae7a1bcd X-Archives-Hash: 31ef4c35df90c194723043e13731bed3 --nextPart3920363.0pRtZfN811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello Steve! On Monday, 16. July 2007 18:17:00 Steve Long wrote: > Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want, > why do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what > extravagant demands us lusers make on you? Now, now. You're a nice guy on IRC so what is this nonsense about? :-) Yes, every single Gentoo dev is here for a reason. Some because they want=20 to improve the stuff they use themselves, some want to be able to help=20 users better (yes, such people exist! ;-) ) and some, like myself, simply=20 have fun working on stuff they use *and* helping people by doing that. (And then there are some idealistic motives but let's keep those aside for= =20 now.) > And please don't tell me you're not proud of being a Gentoo dev,=20 Yes, I admit it, I am because this is the finest Linux distribution I=20 could find and because there are a lot of nice people around. Yes, some Gentoo devs behave like morons some of the time, like myself=20 again ;), but then, it's the same among the user base so I don't think=20 this is something special between devs. This thread is now a dumpster for every complaint any given dev or user=20 may have and overly complicated ideas are exchanged to solve problems=20 which I simply don't see we're having. Yes, there's a lot of traffic here=20 which will soon drop back to normal once people realised they have beaten=20 this horse to death quite a few postings ago. Personally, I originally favoured the idea of making -dev r/o for anyone=20 but Gentoo devs and have the latter moderate-in anyone else. Obviously,=20 though, this meets with strong resistance by some users and devs so let's=20 simply make this ominous -project mailinglist and see if/how it works. I don't think either solutions makes much sense because it complicates=20 matters unnecessarily but if people really lack a minimum of discipline=20 *and* can't ignore the few loudmouths then so be it. > and it doesn't help you personally in your careers.=20 It doesn't help *me* in my career at all. :-) I'm not in this for money, personal gains or accelerating my career=20 anyway, though. I'm in this for fun, for the people (be they devs or=20 users, I don't really care) and in the hope that I might make the world=20 at least a wee, tiny bit better by what I do and how I try to do it. > You're a bunch of selfish malcontents according to your definition.=20 No, you're exaggerating. :-) Yes, the way some fellow devs stated it, was=20 rather blunt but I'm sure they didn't mean it that way. Best regards, Wulf --nextPart3920363.0pRtZfN811 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGm6kInuVXRcSi+5oRAqExAJ9uEGJjRaxw0YZ/gjIpWeLdFrvlOwCgxs2c mR2iW0BomMn+wAHBezmRAog= =614g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3920363.0pRtZfN811-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list