From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAQWG-0002pk-Qj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:21:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6GDKWhO002716; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:20:32 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6GDHEKX030289 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:17:15 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688C564BE9 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:17:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.784 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.920, BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SxqLdTK6nquC for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B798064D3F for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.83.46.165] (helo=sheridan.genone.homeip.net) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1IAQRi1oiz-00045z; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:15:23 +0200 From: Marius Mauch To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes Message-ID: <20070716151523.6e789370@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <469B67C4.4010702@gentoo.org> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184536747.18353.55.camel@sputnik886.lnet> <469B0DC2.2070903@gentoo.org> <469B5A4E.7090406@gentoo.org> <469B6006.9040805@gentoo.org> <469B67C4.4010702@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.13; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_hOoJDIxFQ+vpFq/l3KYVkh1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18VYGCBSLCQJRcbNGldDe13ttjAgX8TqC6uXzE wMWK2E+yzV44jReoQ/9ngZcJagdsm95clp4tDa2BbU07cohtZi x0JqhVr64GHRHLahDfvmw== X-Archives-Salt: 5ee56181-dfe6-49a4-85b8-70a3bf225c13 X-Archives-Hash: 9ba60bbc7d84e247a1d1a6e5e34a4700 --Sig_hOoJDIxFQ+vpFq/l3KYVkh1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:42:44 -0400 Michael Cummings wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > Are you people serious? Let's ban nondevs from bugzilla then? Close > > #gentoo, disband PR, etc? Not sure if we can keep any sponsors > > then... >=20 > ...or devs... >=20 > Seriously, no users =3D=3D no community. Why? Because devs don't get along > with each other well enough to qualify as a community. It's really the > untold masses that make Gentoo a community. What's one of the top > resources cited as the greatness of Gentoo? The wiki. Which isn't even > official or sanctioned, but that is instead run largely by the > community at large. >=20 > Bah. This entire debate is extremely disheartening. How many devs out > there sprung from the ground pre-formed, and how many started out as > users in the community? *That* is the pool from which we draw our > ranks, from which we get our support and direction. This elitist > attitude is what drives the rationale devs to be hermits and just > answer to their small piece of the pie - because we don't give two > figs about who's ego is mightiest, just that we are producing > something useful that makes us happy, without breaking things for > those dependent on us, the users. >=20 > Talk like this, especially from people I respected, makes me question > just what its worth to keep going. If Gentoo is only about the devs, > well, I'm happy with the way things are now, they work for me, so no > sense in working any further on perl-land. I think you're misinterpreting those statements. Consider if you have choose if you spend your time implementing a feature that you personally want to have or one that a user wants (and is of no use to yourself), which one would you choose, assuming that both have the same cost? It's all about priority, nothing more, nothing less. Marius --=20 Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. --Sig_hOoJDIxFQ+vpFq/l3KYVkh1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGm29vWzrL1pM7SNcRAjAFAJ9G8vID7iVPAAAyPkSd7hL57DzeJgCeNYOJ jPz1LPbpO8jVkaRwMaFXgGE= =3kZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_hOoJDIxFQ+vpFq/l3KYVkh1-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list