From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-24821-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1I7Y6P-0008JQ-81 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 14:51:09 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l68EoAKe019302; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:50:10 GMT Received: from citycable.ch (mail.alinto.citycable.ch [85.218.0.110]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l68EmHTJ017021 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:48:17 GMT Received: (qmail 10925 invoked by uid 64); 8 Jul 2007 14:48:16 -0000 Received: from dominique.michel@citycable.ch by alinto.net (uvscan: v5.1.00/v5069. Clean); 08 Jul 2007 14:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (dominique.michel@citycable.ch@85.218.4.108) by smtp.alinto.citycable.ch with SMTP; 8 Jul 2007 14:48:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:46:57 +0200 From: Dominique Michel <dominique.michel@citycable.ch> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Watch out for license changes to GPL-3. 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Krueger wrote: > > On Sunday, 08. July 2007 13:04:24 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > > > What about moving Gentoo stuff to `GPLv3 or later'? > >=20 > > I'm strongly opposed to the "or later" part for the simple reason that= =20 > > this implicates we will agree with stuff we don't even know yet.=20 >=20 > Hear hear. That's why we removed the "or later" rubbish from our > licenses about 4 years ago. >=20 >=20 > > I haven't studied GPL-3 fully yet so I haven't formed an opinion about= =20 > > moving to it alone. >=20 >=20 > I'm not certain what it buys us to move to v3, to be honest. Unless > there are compelling reasons to do so, I don't think it's worth the > effort to change it. >=20 > Seemant >=20 The problem is when you want to move. If the original statement is "GPL-2 or later", it is just to move to whatever gpl>2 you want to move. With the original statement "GPL-2" alone, you have to take contact and get= an authorisation to move from each single programmer that contributed code into the project. I personally think at gpl-3 is better as gpl-2 because GPLv3 will block tivoization. Tivoization means computers (called =E2=80=9Cappliances=E2=80= =9D) contain GPL-covered software that you can't change, because the appliance shuts dow= n if it detects modified software. The usual motive for tivoization is that the software has features the manufacturer thinks lots of people won't like. The manufacturers of these computers take advantage of the freedom that free software provides, but they don't let you do likewise. see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/rms-why-gplv3.html If you want to migrate to GPL-3, the most important question to solve will = be: is it possible to get an agreement to do that migration from every single programmer involved in gentoo? My 2 c. contrib. Dominique -- N.B.: Tous les emails que je re=C3=A7ois sont filtr=C3=A9s par spamassassin= avant de me parvenir. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list