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Becker" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML Message-ID: <20070613075625.667ab8a5@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20070611021535.GE5778@seldon> <20070611114130.1fe1925a@snowflake> <466D3245.6020707@gentoo.org> <20070611123759.77ba497b@snowflake> <466D419E.1090608@fh-trier.de> <8cd1ed20706110634q149e0f06sa8412d1a88f6ccb8@mail.gmail.com> <466D7FDB.5030304@gentoo.org> <8cd1ed20706111333w200f2c3fyd8349b1d622b34db@mail.gmail.com> <20070612195702.GA22827@anubis.perspektivbredband.net> <1181682747.7723.4.camel@antares.hausnetz> <20070612172313.141aa6de@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> <1181684566.7723.9.camel@antares.hausnetz> <20070612180301.1601aa47@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> Organization: BeerandRocks X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.2 (GTK+ 2.10.12; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: SZkgO{p^G't0]8U]p8b=DtT,_0Hz?S)hKCI\sEHZRAdrYo?=`'CDw8uu-Mpo(x;@%XjW]VR euvbMM4Iixr>@Wxy?~f]4@1uGNlXGT0!AC[b{1R>:@]U~bPf8(Jcg8C&H}<7dM!Q2p/C\tw4vUb{he PZ&oWm&Pr#hRGa*=ReoPd,mbd_X/-yCj\-Ya{7j7Dkg)5bA&1!c,~8V/7lBGlF?6;fBJ):7sjgT0\= Jre""/n'zX=E==KMA{k&pBLm,c*Y0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_QEl/tBs7Hp+yeg3k0uKuyOJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: bc01b89c-14fa-4d96-967f-9d9969123575 X-Archives-Hash: 2a2b173bc3ae213869c356af3883c9a5 --Sig_QEl/tBs7Hp+yeg3k0uKuyOJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:16:43 +0100 Steve Long wrote: > Stephen P. Becker wrote: > >> So (without a Portage tree) it replaces the oldgrown single-liner > >> wget foo; tar -xzf foo; cd foo; ./configure; make; make install > >=20 > > Are you implying that there would be much more involved with > > anything currently in the gentoo tree in the absence of portage? > >=20 > > /me cracks the bell > >=20 > Er the discussion was about paludis without Gentoo ebuilds, not > upstream software, or Gentoo without its package-manager(?!) If it's > so great and "The Portage tree is not the only package repository out > there..." why not prove it with a whole maintainable OS install using > Paludis and zero Gentoo ebuilds? Indeed, it was about paludis without gentoo tree ebuilds. If you can't understand the flow of the conversation, I don't know what to tell you other than to re-read the thread. The point is, there are other repositories out there that paludis can use that aren't the main gentoo tree. Beejay asked somebody to elaborate, so I did. > Personally, I'd do Paludis for sourcemage, although I don't know > whether anyone would want to switch from the approved package manager > on that distro either. Still, since it's so amazing, I am sure you > would be able to prove it was better, and it would win on technical > merit. I don't see what that has to do with anything here, and I'm not trying to prove anything. I entered this conversation stating simple facts, and you took it well out of bounds. > (BTW posting links to an external website's code when specifically > asked about algorithms on a developer list is bad form imo. It > presumes on the time of your audience, some of whom actually work, > and might have intellectual property constraints on whose code they > can read. In future please just outline the algorithm for the issue > at hand, if you have one.) OK, now I'm really confused. Who posted a link, and what does this statement have to do with anything related to this current discussion? Seriously, I'd like to know, because I certainly didn't paste any link, yet you replied directly to me. -Steve --Sig_QEl/tBs7Hp+yeg3k0uKuyOJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGb9tuHyvOE7OTyFYRAj53AKDN8O50ObAooIgeGPHkv5+Qffm4mgCg1NUH 33O7dLay6M9mKShAakqe6Vw= =8xSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_QEl/tBs7Hp+yeg3k0uKuyOJ-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list