[gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Bryan Østergaard]

It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
retiring from
Gentoo.

I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least
pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that
time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several
months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for
probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have
become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our
separate ways.

I think I've put my "fingerprint" on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but
lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for
Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to
end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people
simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.

So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for
another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to
keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever
increasing degree.

I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see
if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around
much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at
bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com.

Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as
it used to be for me.

Best regards,
Bryan Østergaard
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Luis Francisco Araujo]

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Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
> 
> I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least
> pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that
> time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past
> several
> months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for
> probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo
> have
> become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to
> go our
> separate ways.
> 
> I think I've put my "fingerprint" on Gentoo in quite a few important
> ways but
> lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for
> Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we
> seem to
> end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people
> simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.
> 
> So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for
> another project where I can contribute something important and not just
> try to
> keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever
> increasing degree.
> 
> I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days
> and see
> if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around
> much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at
> bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com.
> 
> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for
> you as
> it used to be for me.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bryan Østergaard

Sad to see you go Bryan,

You were one of the first Gentoo developers i met, and you were really a
great help to get me started in this community; i bet many people owe
you the same ....

Thanks and i wish you luck in your future projects,

P.S: Wouldn't you just like to take the Gentoo-one-month-off vacation to
relax a bit?

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Luis F. Araujo "araujo at gentoo.org"
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 03:35:20 +0200
"Bryan Østergaard" <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:
> So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking
> for another project where I can contribute something important and
> not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds
> with to an ever increasing degree.

Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. But equally, I'm
really looking forward to seeing your next project.

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[half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right
> we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider
> even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave.

I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying
that most of the people here are not sane.

I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in
this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even
have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without
general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do
something about it. So please, be nice to other people.


kloeri: I don't think everything you did was perfect, but i believe
you always had the best for Gentoo in mind when you made your
decisions. Overall i think you did a fine job, sorry to see you go,
thanks for the fish and kthxbyebye. :-)

cheers,
	Wernfried

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Re: [half-PROCTOLOGISTS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Stephen P. Becker]

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200
Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> > No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right
> > we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider
> > even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave.
> 
> I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying
> that most of the people here are not sane.
> 
> I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in
> this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even
> have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without
> general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do
> something about it. So please, be nice to other people.

This is an official anti-proctors
do-you-guys-really-nitpick-every-fucking-email-especially-ones-from-ciaran
post.  I specifically quoted the part where you were making a big deal out of nothing.

Seriously, if common sense within Gentoo has degraded to the point
where you have to puff your chests out about silly stuff like this,
then perhaps Ciaran is truly correct in his assessment of the general
(in)sanity of people.

-Steve

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RE: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Chrissy Fullam]

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From: Wernfried Haas [mailto:amne@gentoo.org] 

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
>> No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to 
>> end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - 
>> people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.

On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave.

> I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying
> that most of the people here are not sane.

> I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in 
> this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even
> have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without
> general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do
> something about it. So please, be nice to other people.

Amne, I do value your opinion but in this case, I respectfully disagree. I 
do not see the harm in what Ciaran said above to be any greater than
another person stating "sad to see one of the best/key/etc leave" - by
your standards that would imply the rest of us are less than best.
Ciaran may be controversial at times, but I think we can see that he was
paying Bryan a compliment.

Kind regards,
Christina Fullam
Gentoo Developer Relations | Conflict Resolution
GWN Author


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Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 10:22:31AM -0400, Chrissy Fullam wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >> Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave.
> 
> > I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying
> > that most of the people here are not sane.

> Amne, I do value your opinion but in this case, I respectfully
> disagree.

Fair enough.

> I do not see the harm in what Ciaran said above to be any greater than
> another person stating "sad to see one of the best/key/etc leave" - by
> your standards that would imply the rest of us are less than best.

That would be a positive statement because it would imply the other
people are normal, and Bryan was one of the best, which is a positive
statement.
Saying "one of the few remaining sane" people is a generally negative
statement that is judgemental towards the whole community, which is
what the the CoC/proctors are supposed to proactively discourage.

I think much worse things have been said on this list before, but
still statements like that are the basis of a poisonous
environment. All i was asking ciaranm is to be nice to people.

> Ciaran may be controversial at times, but I think we can see that he was
> paying Bryan a compliment.

I even admitted it was meant as a compliment, see above.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

cheers,
	Wernfried

PS: If anyone feels tempted to reply to this, please take it to the
gentoo-proctors list instead of -dev, we're getting OT here. ;-)

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Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:21:20 +0200
Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I think much worse things have been said on this list before, but
> still statements like that are the basis of a poisonous
> environment.

And statements like that are a large part of what caused this thread to
begin with...

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: Bye Gentoo!

[Duncan]

Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> posted
20070531152120.GC12074@superlupo.rechner, excerpted below, on  Thu, 31 May
2007 17:21:20 +0200:

> Saying "one of the few remaining sane" people is a generally
> negative statement that is judgemental towards the whole community,
> which is what the the CoC/proctors are supposed to proactively
> discourage.

Please don't take this wrong, but I'm guessing you aren't a native 
English speaker and thus didn't realize the common turn of phrase.  
Alluding to "this crazy world" or "this insane world" is a common way in 
English of expressing empathy with the one you are replying to.  The 
immediate corollary then is that sane people would recognize the insanity 
of it all, too bad there's so few of those left now days.

It's a turn of phrase.  It doesn't have to make exact literal sense, but 
hopefully that helps.

Rewording Ciaranm's reply, therefore, it can be read roughly as:

"It's a crazy world we live in that you find it necessary to leave, but 
sometimes life just doesn't make sense, and you /do/ have to get a new 
perspective on things, a change of scene, in ordered just to maintain 
your sanity."  The reference to a "few" then would be to the (seemingly) 
few still around, who've had enough experience to recognize how crazy it 
can get, at times, and they are contrasted against the insanity of the 
system that so many have left, that is, against the system itself, not 
against the other devs, who are in fact implied to be on their way toward 
the same "seen it all and yes, it can be insane, sometimes" experience.

Again, I recognize that's exactly the literal meaning of the words when 
strung together, but that's because the thought is now more than the sum 
of its parts, having accumulated cultural meaning over the passage of 
time.

Hopefully, that explains a bit why so many native English speakers seem 
shocked at the offense you took.  Next time, perhaps the reference will 
make better sense. =8^)

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Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Stephen Bennett]

On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200
Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:

> I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying
> that most of the people here are not sane.

Remember people, you can't compliment anyone now, because doing so
implies that everyone else is less valuable than they are.

Seriously, get a grip.
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Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Ioannis Aslanidis]

Please everyone, keep flames off this list. Thank you.

On 5/31/07, Stephen Bennett <spb@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200
> Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying
> > that most of the people here are not sane.
>
> Remember people, you can't compliment anyone now, because doing so
> implies that everyone else is less valuable than they are.
>
> Seriously, get a grip.
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>
>


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Marius Mauch]

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 03:35:20 +0200
"Bryan Østergaard" <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:

> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from Gentoo.

I usually don't participate in all the welcome/goodbye threads, but
you're one of the few people I'm really sad to see leaving. But with
the constant mobbing going on I can certainly understand the
decision.
Hope to see you back someday.

Marius

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Alin Năstac]

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Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm
> finally retiring from Gentoo.
I'm sorry to see another key developer leaving Gentoo. :(
I hope you'll come back someday... ;)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Peter Weller]

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 03:35:20 +0200
"Bryan Østergaard" <kloeri@gentoo.org> wrote:

> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
> 
> I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at
> least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo
> during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have
> grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea
> about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple
> months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I
> think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways.
> 
> I think I've put my "fingerprint" on Gentoo in quite a few important
> ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do
> any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I
> feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what
> I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard
> towards.
> 
> So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking
> for another project where I can contribute something important and
> not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds
> with to an ever increasing degree.
> 
> I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days
> and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably
> won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you
> can do so at bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com.
> 
> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for
> you as it used to be for me.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bryan Østergaard

Sad to see you go... 'tis gonna be strange without you around... 
Best of luck with whatever you go to do next.

welp

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Tobias Scherbaum]

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Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as
> it used to be for me.

Just as Marius already said, I usually also don't participate in the
"goodbye and thanks for all the fish"-threads - but this one is kinda
special. Bryan is one of the few non-German Gentoo Developers I met
several times and we had much fun every time - at least this was my
impression.

I was already looking forward for meeting you again at the UK Meeting in
July ... so ... yeah ... I'm really sad to see you go :( For whatever
you're doing next I'd wish you as much luck and fun as I can.

Thanks for your contributions and being an important part of Gentoo in
the past few years! 

  Tobias

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen]

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Hi Bryan,

On Thursday 31 May 2007 03:35, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.

Thanks for all the work you've done for Gentoo, I know it's not always been 
fun. Good luck with your future projects and please do keep us posted 
somehow :-).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Ned Ludd]

On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 03:35 +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
> 
> I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least
> pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that
> time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several
> months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for
> probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have
> become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our
> separate ways.
> 
> I think I've put my "fingerprint" on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but
> lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for
> Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to
> end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people
> simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.
> 
> So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for
> another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to
> keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever
> increasing degree.
> 
> I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see
> if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around
> much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at
> bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com.
> 
> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as
> it used to be for me.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bryan Østergaard


I'm going to punch you in the ribs really hard if I ever meet you. I
count on a few people in this project and you are one of them. I'm
really disappointed you are rolling out on us without no for warning. I
can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you
had big balls.. None the less. I wish you the best in your future
endeavors.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:05:13 -0700
Ned Ludd <solar@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed
> you had big balls..

It takes more balls to go against the prevailing stagnation than to
just sit by idly and remain content with the situation no matter how
bad it is...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Ned Ludd]

On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 08:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:05:13 -0700
> Ned Ludd <solar@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed
> > you had big balls..
> 
> It takes more balls to go against the prevailing stagnation than to
> just sit by idly and remain content with the situation no matter how
> bad it is...

perhaps sometimes yes.. None the less I dislike losing core people so
quickly who helped out on the back-end to keep things flowing ..
He will be missed for sure. 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Krzysiek Pawlik]

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Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.

I'm sad to see you go :( You've helped me a lot (in fact very, very much) to be
a good developer. Maybe it's possible for you to take a few weeks off instead of
permanently leaving Gentoo? Just like Luis suggested?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Bjarke Istrup Pedersen]

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Really sad to see you go :-(

You where the one who got me into this mess.
Well, good luck to you where ever you may go.

Any chance on you coming back later on?

Bjarke / GurliGebis

Bryan Østergaard skrev:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
> 
> I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least
> pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that
> time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past
> several
> months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for
> probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo
> have
> become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to
> go our
> separate ways.
> 
> I think I've put my "fingerprint" on Gentoo in quite a few important
> ways but
> lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for
> Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we
> seem to
> end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people
> simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.
> 
> So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for
> another project where I can contribute something important and not just
> try to
> keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever
> increasing degree.
> 
> I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days
> and see
> if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around
> much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at
> bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com.
> 
> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for
> you as
> it used to be for me.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bryan Østergaard

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Gustavo Zacarias]

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Bryan Østergaard wrote:

> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for
> you as it used to be for me.

+1 from the "i usually don't wave goodbye" crowd.
Sad to see you go.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo! [THOSE AREN'T PROCTORS...] [eroyf, you're in here too]

[Michael Cummings]

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Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
>
Kloeri,

Always a shame to see one of our own retire. Best wishes and luck to you
in your new life.

But a word of advise to both you and eroyf. tar up all of your gentoo
related stuff - scripts, shell rc files with tweaks, etc., and stuff
them somewhere safe. Because when you come back - and oh yes, you both
will be back - it will make things easier for you. Because Gentoo is
like a fungus. A creeping, semi-sentient, not-so-good on pizza,
certainly not up to shitake or portabello standards, fungus, that has
crept into your lives. And if you think walking away will remove those
vestigial tendrils that are attached to your hips, think again, because
fungi spread by spore, so that last breath you thought you took in
Gentoo land was laden with spores, and right now you are still a
walking, breathing carrier.

And not once do I believe the proctors needed to be involved. And if
anyone DOES protest, it will just prove how reasonable and ahead of my
times I am in recognizing the invading semi-sentient fungus armies.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Juergen.Schinker]

Bryan Østergaard schrieb:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
> 

i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo

but what can I do

Juergen
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Benno Schulenberg]

Juergen.Schinker wrote:
> Bryan Østergaard schrieb:
> > It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm
> > finally retiring from
> > Gentoo.

Aj!  kloeri!  No!

> i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo
>
> but what can I do

Bribe him!

Benno
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Bye Gentoo!

[Holger Hoffstaette]

On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:44:45 +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:

> Juergen.Schinker wrote:
>> Bryan Østergaard schrieb:
>> > It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
>> > retiring from
>> > Gentoo.
> 
> Aj!  kloeri!  No!
> 
>> i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo
>>
>> but what can I do
> 
> Bribe him!

Make him use RedHat Enterprise!


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Bye Gentoo!

[Steve Long]

Oh man, I would just like to add my voice to the chorus asking for you to
reconsider after a suitable break to recharge.

(And not just because you're one of the best bug-fixers around.)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!

[Christel Dahlskjaer]

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On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 03:35 +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote:
> It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally
> retiring from
> Gentoo.
> 
> I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least
> pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that
> time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several
> months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for
> probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have
> become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our
> separate ways.
> 
> I think I've put my "fingerprint" on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but
> lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for
> Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to
> end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people
> simply ignore what I'm working hard towards.
> 
> So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for
> another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to
> keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever
> increasing degree.
> 
> I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see
> if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around
> much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at
> bryan.ostergaard@gmail.com.
> 
> Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as
> it used to be for me.

Bryan, 
It's been a pleasure working with you and getting to know you this past
year and a half. I've learnt a lot and you've been a rock, you've been
inspirational and motivational.. You've been a great mentor in many
aspects and an amazing friend. 

I look forward to working with you further on the other two OSS projects
we are involved with together and I hope you made the right decision
when you chose to step down.

Christelx

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