From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hkmd8-000380-Ai for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 06 May 2007 19:42:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l46JfNlI022711; Sun, 6 May 2007 19:41:23 GMT Received: from randymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-145.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.145]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l46Jb5fi015671 for ; Sun, 6 May 2007 19:37:05 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-75-68-33-130.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [75.68.33.130]) by randymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54094B72E2 for ; Sun, 6 May 2007 12:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Meltzer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 news item for review: Radiant upgrade Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:37:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <1178433936.13701.10.camel@ip6-localhost> <200705061519.53199.hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> <20070506202841.1fb9320b@snowflake> In-Reply-To: <20070506202841.1fb9320b@snowflake> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705061537.05885.hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> X-Archives-Salt: ce769425-7e38-41fb-bb71-7b560da7c36d X-Archives-Hash: 8c2b2136cfe4f1078bd73df0c2f100ba On Sunday 06 May 2007 3:28:41 pm Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 6 May 2007 15:19:53 -0400 > > Dan Meltzer wrote: > > On Sunday 06 May 2007 3:02:38 pm Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 May 2007 14:53:22 -0400 > > > > > > Dan Meltzer wrote: > > > > > One of the reasons GLEP 42 was necessary was because users > > > > > *don't* read things delivered by other methods. > > > > > > > > And they are magically going to read the news? > > > > Experience being two news items about one package. Expand this to a > > tree size, where the user has around 400-500 packages. If they get > > news about changes that will increase their experience for each one > > of these, they are looking at reading the New York Times of gentoo > > every day. It's not going to happen. > > And, if that happens (which it won't), we'll have more experience and > we can evaluate future news items based upon that. A more realistic > view for your typical user is less than a news item per week. And what are you basing this on? > > > > Paludis users do not consider that news item trivial. > > > > If I was a paludis user I would considder this trivial. The same > > information is availible a) from the package itself. b) from the > > changelog, and c) it still works without the change! > > But you aren't, and those who are disagree. I've yet to here from the "those who are" otherwise yet. Would the thoses who are be the same ones that you called idiots for writing horrible hooks that broke their system? or would this be a different group of those who ares? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list