From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HkMAl-00076i-Kp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 15:27:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l45FQpu1031730; Sat, 5 May 2007 15:26:51 GMT Received: from smtp.ferdyx.org (170.Red-213-96-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [213.96.222.170]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l45FOu8x029463 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 15:24:57 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ferdyx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3757D8D314 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 16:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ferdyx.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tungsteno [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21880-05 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 16:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from snowflake (unknown [62.6.163.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.ferdyx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF0D8D305 for ; Sat, 5 May 2007 16:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:23:53 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24 Message-ID: <20070505162353.00f35d86@snowflake> In-Reply-To: <20070505171203.7886cddd@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> References: <200705042249.48267.peper@gentoo.org> <463BA9BF.4080708@digital-trauma.de> <200705042356.10789.peper@gentoo.org> <463BAFF8.80100@gentoo.org> <20070504222225.GA11120@anubis.perspektivbredband.net> <463BB5F3.7060202@gentoo.org> <20070505001746.5c8e2fb6@snowflake> <20070505100741.6d6e43b9@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> <20070505093717.3b34b015@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> <20070505171203.7886cddd@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_UkADIr/a9hckV8LVzwLAMK8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ferdyx.org X-Archives-Salt: 8f5a05cb-6f20-498a-b212-166a1a7c28b7 X-Archives-Hash: fc49a60c38cdb3376ca8baf003f215ac --Sig_UkADIr/a9hckV8LVzwLAMK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 5 May 2007 17:12:03 +0200 Marius Mauch wrote: > Guess you never looked at the various elog modules in portage-2.1 then > which provide the same (I'd say even more) flexibility how and when > you want to read such stuff But they don't do so by default. > Why does every discussion recently have to come down to this > argument? I couldn't care less wether this was about paludis, > pkgcore, portage, mysql, subversion, kde, gnome, vim, emacs, apache > or whatever, a g42 news item shouldn't be issued for minor syntax > changes in config files that could just as well handled completely > automatically in postinst/CONFIG_PROTECT. They can't automatically be handled in postinst. > > As has already been pointed out, only paludis users would see > > the news item that you are all bitching about, so if you guys don't > > use paludis, why do you care? >=20 > The point is that it sets a precedence. After all some people might be > silly enough to expect the tree to be somewhat consistent when it > comes to such things. There was a reason why I asked in the original > discussion about glep 42 how many news items might potentially exist > at any given point in time (back then the answer was "not so many"). > And if there really is going to be a news item for every triviality > in the tree not only will people over time become trained to ignore > them but also the overhead will get quite annoying. We have already established that this news item is not a triviality and that the people who will see it will want to see it. > > If you happen to maintain packages and > > you feel like providing news will piss your users off, then don't > > provide it. Experience has shown that paludis users like these news > > items, which is another point that you and others are ignoring. >=20 > (My) Experience has also shown that gentoo-x86/portage users like the > elog features in portage, so stop with those games, they don't get us > anywhere. They prefer it to not having anything at all. There is plenty of reason to believe that they would prefer news to elog in this situation were that option available to them. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_UkADIr/a9hckV8LVzwLAMK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGPKGN96zL6DUtXhERAsN+AKCBnU/qOlHfcFqVyvTsRHl2oiyzngCgqF83 rJfFx+I1HRjV4G7Dwl4heOI= =kqHS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_UkADIr/a9hckV8LVzwLAMK8-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list