Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

[Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org>]

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On Sat, 5 May 2007 17:12:03 +0200
Marius Mauch <genone@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Guess you never looked at the various elog modules in portage-2.1 then
> which provide the same (I'd say even more) flexibility how and when
> you want to read such stuff

But they don't do so by default.

> Why does every discussion recently have to come down to this
> argument? I couldn't care less wether this was about paludis,
> pkgcore, portage, mysql, subversion, kde, gnome, vim, emacs, apache
> or whatever, a g42 news item shouldn't be issued for minor syntax
> changes in config files that could just as well handled completely
> automatically in postinst/CONFIG_PROTECT.

They can't automatically be handled in postinst.

> > As has already been pointed out, only paludis users would see
> > the news item that you are all bitching about, so if you guys don't
> > use paludis, why do you care?
> 
> The point is that it sets a precedence. After all some people might be
> silly enough to expect the tree to be somewhat consistent when it
> comes to such things. There was a reason why I asked in the original
> discussion about glep 42 how many news items might potentially exist
> at any given point in time (back then the answer was "not so many").
> And if there really is going to be a news item for every triviality
> in the tree not only will people over time become trained to ignore
> them but also the overhead will get quite annoying.

We have already established that this news item is not a triviality and
that the people who will see it will want to see it.

> > If you happen to maintain packages and
> > you feel like providing news will piss your users off, then don't
> > provide it.  Experience has shown that paludis users like these news
> > items, which is another point that you and others are ignoring.
> 
> (My) Experience has also shown that gentoo-x86/portage users like the
> elog features in portage, so stop with those games, they don't get us
> anywhere.

They prefer it to not having anything at all. There is plenty of reason
to believe that they would prefer news to elog in this situation were
that option available to them.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh


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