From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-23350-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1HkFky-0004ji-Ef for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 08:36:44 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l458Zo1U008599; Sat, 5 May 2007 08:35:50 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l458Xxwx006304 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 5 May 2007 08:33:59 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A7364C74 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 5 May 2007 08:33:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -0.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.952 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.952] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5tGXZ7gsJemA for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 5 May 2007 08:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3340464BFA for <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>; Sat, 5 May 2007 08:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.83.25.67] (helo=sheridan.genone.homeip.net) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1HkFiE0teY-0005e5; Sat, 05 May 2007 10:33:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:30:40 +0200 From: Marius Mauch <genone@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24 Message-ID: <20070505103040.44dfdc4c@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20070505005246.18a8fe84@snowflake> References: <200705042249.48267.peper@gentoo.org> <200705041850.00514.hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> <20070504235844.136fd6cf@snowflake> <200705041948.19737.hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> <20070505005246.18a8fe84@snowflake> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.12; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_.zaM01gF2Ho8_C_DUMCcXfN; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185KvV4NVTpKR7sxKCzW1rNt+E3jdD3GAT3/N7 3HC8eZnBORoWfJJ/1uTDtGjXXzOx0RBzQiSbQwC72+hxVwq6rj KjAv5ZIheLVmeEulG/Xjg== X-Archives-Salt: 8dceea29-e425-4f1f-a572-fe28e7aa6c9d X-Archives-Hash: e97de021651a8ec9a1d8bf2b1c2cc68c --Sig_.zaM01gF2Ho8_C_DUMCcXfN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 5 May 2007 00:52:46 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org> wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2007 19:48:19 -0400 > Dan Meltzer <hydrogen@notyetimplemented.com> wrote: > > That seems like a really bad road to go down. > >=20 > > Would it not be better to extend elog to alert people at the end of > > an install as well? >=20 > Doesn't help. It's only there once, and it's easy to ignore. Users > don't have to explicitly mark it as read, so it's frequently not read. > elog is not an adequate solution. Interesting that so far nobody (including yourself) has requested such a feature ...=20 Also GLEP42 (as specified) is also an inadequate solution as there is no check for news items _after_ a package install, so in the typical use case users won't see this news item when it's most relevant (going by specification, haven't checked implementations). And given that the GLEP specifically states that news items are not suposed to replace the usual postinst einfo/elog messages I'm tempted to call this an abuse of the news framework. Marius --=20 Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. --Sig_.zaM01gF2Ho8_C_DUMCcXfN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGPEC0WzrL1pM7SNcRAvc7AJoCh8XzoVlXzeAMhQ5uFD9IP9SQxACfd4Z/ MPNdKYYCTCoFlKD+tIgWvTo= =VCLV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_.zaM01gF2Ho8_C_DUMCcXfN-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list