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Becker" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24 Message-ID: <20070505093717.3b34b015@azathoth.beerandrocks.net> In-Reply-To: <20070505100741.6d6e43b9@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> References: <200705042249.48267.peper@gentoo.org> <463BA9BF.4080708@digital-trauma.de> <200705042356.10789.peper@gentoo.org> <463BAFF8.80100@gentoo.org> <20070504222225.GA11120@anubis.perspektivbredband.net> <463BB5F3.7060202@gentoo.org> <20070505001746.5c8e2fb6@snowflake> <20070505100741.6d6e43b9@sheridan.genone.homeip.net> Organization: BeerandRocks X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: SZkgO{p^G't0]8U]p8b=DtT,_0Hz?S)hKCI\sEHZRAdrYo?=`'CDw8uu-Mpo(x;@%XjW]VR euvbMM4Iixr>@Wxy?~f]4@1uGNlXGT0!AC[b{1R>:@]U~bPf8(Jcg8C&H}<7dM!Q2p/C\tw4vUb{he PZ&oWm&Pr#hRGa*=ReoPd,mbd_X/-yCj\-Ya{7j7Dkg)5bA&1!c,~8V/7lBGlF?6;fBJ):7sjgT0\= Jre""/n'zX=E==KMA{k&pBLm,c*Y0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_VohQdO6LTPPWNZ6S5b8QI0l; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 232c5625-db42-440c-a7be-c8bd8da960b0 X-Archives-Hash: 6143839797b678799143db3e71add735 --Sig_VohQdO6LTPPWNZ6S5b8QI0l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > What experience? So far there have been no news items. The issue > about elog messages being one shot things is rather outdated (at least > for portage), and post-merge information is the domain of elog (as > stated in the GLEP). As Ciaran explained below, the paludis overlay has been using them for a long time, but allow me to elaborate as one who has found these news items very useful, and who has been very unsatisfied with elog in general. I love getting information on news items that I can read at my own leisure via eselect news. For example, a recent news item in the paludis overlay informed users on how to properly set everything up for userpriv with paludis-0.22, a description that was far too detailed for elog, and which I didn't have time to read the very minute that I installed the new version. What do you know...the next day I was ready to set things up...and oh look, there was nice, detailed instructions waiting for me to read with eselect news. It's easy for you and others in this thread to speculate without *any* experience here. I really get the feeling that you guys are talking out of your ass because this is another ciaran/paludis thread. As has already been pointed out, only paludis users would see the news item that you are all bitching about, so if you guys don't use paludis, why do you care? If you happen to maintain packages and you feel like providing news will piss your users off, then don't provide it. Experience has shown that paludis users like these news items, which is another point that you and others are ignoring. -Steve --Sig_VohQdO6LTPPWNZ6S5b8QI0l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGPIiWHyvOE7OTyFYRAphDAKCb16qaVS9KnMRlfclUFksP6iawYwCfa1YH 6zxmLL/zF2yr0+m85YlG8jU= =SUye -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_VohQdO6LTPPWNZ6S5b8QI0l-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list