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From: Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] tests
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:49:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705020849.58669.kugelfang@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1178070677.1136.23.camel@athena.fprintf.net>

Hi Daniel,

Am Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2007 schrieb Daniel Gryniewicz:
> Honestly, tests are nice, but too many of them are broken upstream,
> and we are not (and should not be, IMO) in the position of fixing
> them all. If a developer wants to work with her upstream to fix the
> tests in her packages, great and more power to her.  Most of us are
> swamped just supporting them, let alone fixing test cases.  You
> really need an upstream who cares a lot about tests for the tests to
> be meaningful and work.  Lots of upstreams don't currently care, and
> have inherited obsolete and (now) broken tests from previous
> maintainers.
When you read Piotr's original mail carefully, you will see that he 
lists 'non-functional' as category, and nobody keeps you from declaring 
your packages' test-suites as such. However, keep in mind that several 
other maintainers don't have so many problems with their test-suites.

> I think this thread in general overestimates the value of tests in
> packages.  I think we will find, if we go through the effort, that
> more of them are useless and/or broken than are useful.  My 2 cents.
As a member of the sci team I have to say I completely disagree with you 
here. sci-* packages mostly have reasonable test suites, the importance 
to run them is very high (you do want reproducable and correct results, 
don't you?). However, sometimes you cannot run those tests from an 
ebuild's environment, for example when you need a running x-server.

Danny
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-02  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-01 13:08 [gentoo-dev] tests Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-05-01 13:24 ` Josh Sled
2007-05-01 13:32   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-01 15:50 ` Alec Warner
2007-05-01 16:04 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2007-05-01 16:23   ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-05-01 17:18 ` Maurice van der Pot
2007-05-01 17:35   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-01 19:53     ` Maurice van der Pot
2007-05-01 20:05       ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-05-02  5:58         ` Rémi Cardona
2007-05-02  6:53           ` Danny van Dyk
2007-05-01 21:52       ` Josh Saddler
2007-05-01 22:31         ` Stephen Bennett
2007-05-01 22:28           ` Josh Saddler
2007-05-01 22:47             ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-05-01 23:08         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-01 23:06       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-01 17:58   ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-05-01 19:24 ` Rémi Cardona
2007-05-01 20:10   ` Jure Varlec
2007-05-01 22:06     ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-05-01 20:25 ` [gentoo-dev] tests Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-05-01 23:32 ` [gentoo-dev] tests Marius Mauch
2007-05-01 23:46   ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2007-05-01 23:55     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-02  0:34       ` Brian Harring
2007-05-02 11:52         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-02  0:08     ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-05-02  0:12     ` Stephen Bennett
2007-05-02  1:51       ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2007-05-02  6:49         ` Danny van Dyk [this message]
2007-05-02 11:56         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-01 23:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-02 10:54   ` Philipp Riegger
2007-05-02 20:05 ` Mike Frysinger
2007-05-02 20:12   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-05-06  8:39     ` Mike Frysinger
2007-05-05 21:17 ` [gentoo-dev] tests Ryan Hill
2007-05-06  4:27   ` Alistair John Bush

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