From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HhUou-0002Jf-8A for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:05:25 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3RI4Z6p009269; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:04:35 GMT Received: from citycable.ch (mail.alinto.citycable.ch [85.218.0.110]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3RI1WSZ004028 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:01:33 GMT Received: (qmail 8333 invoked by uid 64); 27 Apr 2007 18:01:32 -0000 Received: from dominique.michel@citycable.ch by alinto.net (uvscan: v5.1.00/v5019. Clean); 27 Apr 2007 18:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (dominique.michel@citycable.ch@85.218.4.108) by smtp.alinto.citycable.ch with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 18:01:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:02:25 +0200 From: Dominique Michel To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new herd: theology Message-ID: <20070427200225.7ad15493@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20070427105925.GE31162@ubik> References: <463159E2.4030009@gentoo.org> <1177647086.2532.495.camel@phoenix> <20070427072418.6ae6bd78@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20070427105925.GE31162@ubik> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEXy8ubtkoXo7+b1+fbN cGKCeWDtamweFA8eMkmKPkPtvcWRoqyV0Pn7AAACbElEQVQ4jXXTMWvbQBQA4MOlizsdXEXp KAi09mKcLZ0EJxONDRJVkikg9AtqTm63gtHDmVJs1GsnC0JiaTMJGN2f67uzznJb+gZj9PFO 7717IqdtvCAmem4bxMLp/2BEyEBF1+U/0H8uhI6rv+BVLNrY/gH9T0L8yAxk2yMY3YuZxDCn TY/gpBByyTGktIcZOIvFjPNJmqYJDwrx3cIoBrE0zzG4FF8tfBAwM+DonKCYWjgROZ6Upjcm 5Qje58JAmlKKGfIAjzaDUuogZBY2Bjg14eDbywMIqZvwqgqFBcVFB0seYONLb00ZZlh4p0F6 FHNoUMyKAzxowJSQTyj+XloYs3MN3GeMpzyYSTMshLM00ODpWlPp4SDbqs4cViDcGAgmlK/a PsaOg7DvIQ3wzANMqB/iQW/XTkoTLO6XhSeHUoQKe+NLjyY/Ldx7CW2D4WTYhZ3V0GP64RpP Q/E66IUWMLj3+nDn4w2ejMACyXFeHZy6ETcZehc49bv1GQ/0bazNuzm97mDkhnoie9i30WYM w/YCnYT7Fx308s98n0IT//Jod1+aOzdzYXLVbftol+PC+REG3u+0AxdEtuSMB6G+DLGwMH4E vXGmJn8VCLM9LhmrOAMQYt5Wi/DFgIC52iFkUzMpDVmjAaDZRGC+JGwDqzJ/G5fUUcWZAaE7 YfvPLYtIU1Wb4A2IeS7uDMgcIFutiCr766qGfKHyuxvTIERKXVNSN27lDgCuBuojlpxIyJV6 ritS1uWWuHF2Ww7qcIKbqEFVNbmtmm3vGSCHbVXjikrY3SpVxwQWw2aIjwG+ueXTJDmHeK6a HfwGyU5ZSlGeSRQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-aduser: dominique.michel@citycable.ch/85.218.4.108 X-Archives-Salt: 6ce1d696-0c9b-427e-a71a-762f4829dab1 X-Archives-Hash: e40c040c5799d06aa5c50a1091a7b4f0 Le Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:59:25 +0200, Alexandre Buisse a =C3=A9crit : > On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 11:25:01 +0200, Duncan wrote: > > > It's a very good question, it was posed at the time, it was never > > > answered and at last we can now say it was almost completely ignored. > >=20 > > I (and I expect others who know) didn't answer this before, as it would= =20 > > have been too easy to start an OT subthread I didn't want to start, but= I=20 > > trust everyone minding the CoC will prevent that from occurring now. > >=20 > > Briefly (and intended to be neutrally), the Latter Day Saints, commonly= =20 > > known as the Mormons (maybe other groups as well??), have a religious=20 > > interest in genealogy, so having it in the religion/theology herd would= =20 > > make sense to them. That should answer the question, and give a place = to=20 > > start for those interested in looking it up. >=20 > And a sect from the remote regions of Lapland believes that haskell is > a godsend and adore the ghc source code as their Holy Scripture, should > we move the haskell herd to theology as well? >=20 > =20 > > However, I agree the sciences or a general humanities herd will make mo= re=20 > > sense to most folks. I don't feel strongly enough about it to be worth= =20 > > arguing a maintainer's choice of herd for their packages, however. Aft= er=20 > > all, they're the ones taking responsibility for it in the tree,=20 > > regardless of the herd it's in, and if it's more convenient for them in= a=20 > > theology herd, why should it be a problem for those not interested in t= he=20 > > package? It might raise a few eyebrows here or there, but if it's bein= g=20 > > well maintained, there are more critical things to argue about. >=20 > Sure, there are more critical things out there, but why should people, > on such a critical subject, chose to label packages that have nothing to > do with religion with a "theology" stamp? I fully agree, theology is the worst possible name if the herd will include both religious and scientific softwares. Human beings have the unique possibility to use their critical mind (at lea= st if they understand at we have this unique feature in the creation), and all the theology are based on the assumption at they are true only if we gi= ve away our critical mind (Introduction of all the religious book, they said a= t it is true because it is true...). And they cannot be true otherwise. Religion: the prophet prove the religion and the religion prove the prophet. Science: the theory is true only if it is proved by practical and reproduct= ible experimentation. Words have a meaning. The fact is at genealogy is a science as it is possib= le to prove it by practical experimentation, and it doesn't matter if the fath= er is a Mormon or the currier, an ADN prove will tell us. And for that it have nothing to do with religious ideology. Theology is about religious study and cannot be proved by practical and reproductible experimentation. For that, = it have nothing to do with science. Otherwise: I think at it is a good idea to have that kind of softwares, but= I also think at the name of the herd is one of the worst the worst possible. Please, don't call it with a name that is a direct reference to religious ideology if you want to mix those different kind of softwares. I think at at the best solution will be to make 2 herds, one for the religious ideolog= y, one for human-sciences, so at we can know what we are talking about. It was my 2c. contribution on that matter. Ciao, Dominique >=20 > /Alexandre -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list