From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HcR4G-0000sm-0Q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:04:20 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3DJ2lRl001300; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:02:47 GMT Received: from smtp.ferdyx.org (170.Red-213-96-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [213.96.222.170]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DIxIqL027996 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:59:18 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ferdyx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DA38D315 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ferdyx.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tungsteno [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22800-08 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:56:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from snowflake (unknown [62.6.163.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.ferdyx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7F08D305 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:59:16 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April) Message-ID: <20070413195916.3428533f@snowflake> In-Reply-To: References: <20070401092940.1B4C26441E@smtp.gentoo.org> <200704052240.56083.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <20070405212406.GA13118@seldon> <200704060016.18194.kugelfang@gentoo.org> <20070405221147.GB13118@seldon> <20070411154101.79634783@snowflake> <20070413155032.54edddc0@snowflake> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_+iCT5+gfJwk7=qkP2+zVyVY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ferdyx.org X-Archives-Salt: 2a6411d9-2ae3-4940-a00e-9a44d887bf10 X-Archives-Hash: c3526dc85369a19b61e695073874e3b7 --Sig_+iCT5+gfJwk7=qkP2+zVyVY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:17:32 +0100 Steve Long wrote: > > Except there are. Hence why we want EAPI 1 in the short term, not > > several years from now. The stuff that will take longer can go into > > a later EAPI. > >=20 > Man here we go again: I spend a lot of time helping and being helped > by other gentoo users. *There has been no significant system b0rkage > for nearly a year* *QA is getting better not worse* and *the gentoo > development process works* >=20 > You may have your issues with the gentoo dev team, but spreading this > kinda FUD is outta line imo. You don't know what QA problems EAPI 1 will solve, do you? It's not FUD at all. > 3 months for specification of EAPI 1 after a year for EAPI 0 is not > exactly moving slowly. And there are clearly other viewpoints as to > what is needed. Personally speaking, I'd like to find out what those > are, as it's both instructive for me, and better for the distro I use. We're not talking specification. We're talking implementation time. Many of the things likely to be in EAPI 1 were needed years ago, and the tree has huge problems as a result. The simplest example is the KDE and Qt dependency hell that's come about as a result of not having slot deps. > If there really are problems with *portage* those are not your > concern: Paludis users presumably don't get that kinda b0rkage so all > you need to do is /wait/ and let the technical superiority of your > product win the argument. *Of course* Paludis users will get the same b0rkage that Portage users do, since it's using the same ebuilds. Please refrain from contributing if you don't understand the issues at hand. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_+iCT5+gfJwk7=qkP2+zVyVY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGH9MG96zL6DUtXhERAsZ9AKDCMQbxT/FcXoxvV6omTNk5hGyb8wCgwbSz Ng26EoaTlmcL+E9Uk7iP98Q= =OPSz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_+iCT5+gfJwk7=qkP2+zVyVY-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list