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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:57:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070405175747.5a4de2f3@snowflake> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46151DF9.40308@gentoo.org>

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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:04:09 -0700
Josh Saddler <nightmorph@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Here's how it appears to someone reading all this, though:
> 
> Ciaran *already knows* what's going on, which means that some
> person(s) who *were* privy to those meetings have talked, plain and
> simple. If that's true, then the information is out one way or
> another, and now the Council can decide if they want to talk about it
> first or let someone who wasn't actually at those meetings to divulge
> all the details.

No, I don't know what's going on exactly -- I only have access to what
people have said in public, and even then I'm not watching most of the
IRC channels in which such things are usually said. What I do know:

I know that there's a log involving a conversation between four or five
Council members and one or two non-Council members that certain Council
members are trying extremely hard to keep secret.

I know that topics discussed in this log include the Code of Conduct
and Gentoo sponsors, including OSL, and that it goes far beyond a
private conversation.

I know that at least one Council member would rather that this log were
published.

I know that at kingtaco and wolf31o2 have made threats along the lines
of "if you screw us over we will remove your access", including to a
fellow Council member.

I know that at least one Gentoo developer is seriously considering
resigning because of what the Council have been doing on this, and that
several more have expressed extreme dissatisfaction at the way the
Council is handling things.

I know that the person responsible for the CoC is no longer involved
with it because of the Council's actions.

I know that at least one Council member has made claims to the effect
of "if we don't get our way with this, Gentoo will be dead within a
week", and that "you can disagree all you want, but you won't have an
@gentoo.org address if you do".

What I *don't* know is what the heck the Council has done to get Gentoo
into such a mess, if those claims are true. Or, if they're not, I don't
know how Council members can get away with making the kind of threats
they are making.

Now, to resolve this... Why don't the people involved get together and
publish a several paragraph summary of what was discussed? They can
agree to leave out anything that really is sensitive, but since the
majority of the log presumably isn't, it would be good to see a public
summary.

> I guess it comes down to the trust you expect the Gentoo developers
> who voted for you in the first place to have in you against the trust
> the council members have in each other. This isn't a matter of
> throwing someone to the wolves, but consider the rest of the trust. :)

It kind of stops becoming a matter of trust when Council members that
also have infra powers make threats about removing other Council
members' access...

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-05 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 197+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-01  5:30 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April Mike Frysinger
     [not found] ` <200704040151.56797.vapier@gentoo.org>
2007-04-04  6:08   ` Mike Doty
2007-04-04  7:45     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-04-05 16:33       ` Mike Doty
2007-04-05 18:14     ` [gentoo-dev] " Torsten Veller
     [not found]       ` <46153DF7.5060801@gentoo.org>
2007-04-05 18:54         ` [gentoo-dev] QA sucks Torsten Veller
2007-04-05 20:40         ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April Danny van Dyk
2007-04-05 21:24           ` Brian Harring
2007-04-05 22:16             ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-05 22:11               ` Brian Harring
2007-04-05 22:41                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-04-05 23:04                   ` Brian Harring
2007-04-05 23:07                   ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-05 22:59                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-04-05 23:16                 ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-11 14:41                 ` [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April) Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13  5:58                   ` Luca Barbato
2007-04-13  6:48                     ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 12:21                   ` Marius Mauch
2007-04-13 12:33                     ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 14:38                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 14:53                       ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 15:25                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 15:52                           ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 16:42                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 17:05                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
     [not found]                               ` <200704131302.00976.vapier@gentoo.org>
2007-04-13 17:07                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 17:42                                   ` Mike Frysinger
     [not found]                                     ` <20070413191627.268ae249@snowflake>
2007-04-13 19:17                                       ` Daniel Ostrow
2007-04-13 19:28                                         ` Daniel Ostrow
2007-04-13 20:07                                         ` Ferris McCormick
2007-04-14  3:01                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-14  9:51                                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-04-13 18:08                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Matthias Langer
2007-04-14 11:00                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-04-14 11:58                                       ` Petteri Räty
2007-04-14 19:09                                         ` Matthias Langer
2007-04-15  4:31                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 18:16                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Joshua Jackson
2007-04-13 18:36                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 19:06                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 19:33                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-14  1:59                                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-04-14  3:01                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Robin H. Johnson
2007-04-13 19:29                                   ` Luca Barbato
2007-04-13 19:46                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-14  6:14                                       ` Luca Barbato
2007-04-14  6:41                                         ` Christopher Sawtell
2007-04-14  9:16                                           ` Luca Barbato
2007-04-14  9:51                                           ` Matthias Langer
2007-04-14  9:37                                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-04-13 15:36                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Jakub Moc
2007-04-13 15:42                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 16:22                             ` Jakub Moc
2007-04-13 16:41                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 17:06                                 ` Jakub Moc
2007-04-13 17:13                                   ` Petteri Räty
2007-04-13 17:18                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 22:02                                     ` Marius Mauch
2007-04-13 22:41                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-14  2:01                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-14  9:44                       ` Alec Warner
2007-04-14 10:15                         ` Jakub Moc
2007-04-14 10:28                           ` Jan Kundrát
2007-04-14 10:33                             ` Jakub Moc
2007-04-14 15:16                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-14 19:17                           ` Alec Warner
2007-04-14 21:12                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-11-09 17:41                       ` src_fetch (was Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)) Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
2007-11-09 18:10                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
     [not found]                   ` <evo41a$abh$1@sea.gmane.org>
2007-04-13 14:50                     ` [gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April) Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 15:11                       ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 15:24                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-13 15:46                           ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-13 17:17                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-04-13 18:59                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-14  7:43                           ` [gentoo-dev] FUD post 3,023,972 from ciaranm spills into ad-hominem. Never! Steve Long
2007-04-14  7:55                             ` Charlie Shepherd
2007-04-14 15:18                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-06 17:06           ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April Paul de Vrieze
2007-04-07 23:58             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-04-04  8:18   ` [gentoo-dev] " Bryan Østergaard
2007-04-04  9:24     ` Wernfried Haas
2007-04-04  9:55       ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-04 12:03         ` Wernfried Haas
2007-04-04 16:27           ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-05 12:11             ` Wernfried Haas
2007-04-05  8:28   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-05 10:37     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-04-05 13:36       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-04 19:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexandre Buisse
2007-04-04 19:49   ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-04-04 20:17   ` Grant Goodyear
2007-04-04 20:54     ` Matti Bickel
2007-04-04 23:28     ` Alexandre Buisse
2007-04-05 11:29       ` Denis Dupeyron
2007-04-05 12:19         ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-04-05 13:07           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-10 15:17           ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-04-05 12:39         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-05 21:33           ` Denis Dupeyron
2007-04-05  8:26     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-05 12:09       ` Wernfried Haas
2007-04-05 12:29         ` Christopher Sawtell
2007-04-05 13:51         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-05 14:07           ` Matti Bickel
2007-04-05 14:47           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-05 15:00             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-05 15:22               ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-05 16:04                 ` Josh Saddler
2007-04-05 16:24                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-05 17:00                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-05 18:06                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-04-05 19:22                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-05 16:57                   ` Ciaran McCreesh [this message]
2007-04-05 20:15         ` [gentoo-dev] " Danny van Dyk
2007-04-05 20:31           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-05 13:30       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-04-05 20:14       ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger
2007-04-05 19:20 ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-05 20:22   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-04-05 20:42   ` Danny van Dyk
2007-04-05 20:47     ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-05 21:18   ` Ned Ludd
2007-04-05 21:43     ` Petteri Räty
2007-04-05 21:46     ` Wernfried Haas
2007-04-05 22:32       ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-12 15:23     ` [gentoo-dev] " Torsten Veller
2007-04-12 15:38       ` Mike Frysinger
2007-04-12 15:54       ` Jim Ramsay
2007-04-12 16:04         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-04-12 16:28           ` Jim Ramsay
2007-04-12 17:04           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-04-15 12:40             ` Richard Freeman
2007-04-15 23:27               ` Duncan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-01  5:30 [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger
2009-04-01 11:28 ` David Leverton
2009-04-01 12:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-04-02  9:53 ` Fabian Groffen
2009-04-02 14:47   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2009-04-06 17:24     ` Fabian Groffen
2009-04-06 17:33       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-01  5:30 Mike Frysinger
2008-04-02 20:46 ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-02 20:53   ` Wulf C. Krueger
2008-04-02 21:16     ` joshua jackson
2008-04-02 21:28     ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-02 21:19   ` Mike Auty
2008-04-02 21:26     ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-02 21:33       ` Richard Brown
2008-04-02 21:36       ` Jan Kundrát
2008-04-03  1:21         ` Richard Freeman
2008-04-03  6:42           ` Fabian Groffen
2008-04-03 11:06             ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-02 21:42       ` Mike Auty
2008-04-02 22:41         ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-03  1:56       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2008-04-03 11:05         ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-03 11:35           ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2008-04-03 11:39             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-03 11:49               ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-03 11:56                 ` Mike Auty
2008-04-03 12:01                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-03 12:17                     ` Mike Auty
2008-04-03 12:23                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-03 12:29                         ` Patrick Lauer
2008-04-03 12:33                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-03 12:44                             ` Patrick Lauer
2008-04-03 12:46                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-03 12:55                                 ` Patrick Lauer
2008-04-03 12:56                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-04-04  6:38                                   ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2008-04-03 12:34                       ` Patrick Lauer
2008-04-03 11:49             ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-04-03 19:03               ` Chris Gianelloni
2008-04-03 13:53             ` Thomas Anderson
2008-04-03 16:58               ` Donnie Berkholz
2008-04-03 14:02           ` Wulf C. Krueger
2008-04-03  0:35     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2008-04-03 12:21       ` Mike Auty
2008-04-03 13:21         ` Richard Freeman
2008-04-03 19:08           ` Chris Gianelloni
2008-04-03 14:35   ` Chrissy Fullam
2008-04-03 15:56     ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-03 16:16       ` Chrissy Fullam
2008-04-04  8:26       ` Peter Volkov
2008-04-07 20:37       ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-07 21:05         ` Mike Pagano
2008-04-08  0:10           ` Petteri Räty
2008-04-08  0:57             ` Robin H. Johnson
2008-04-07 21:27         ` Jan Kundrát
2008-04-08 17:30         ` Roy Bamford
2008-04-08 20:00           ` Robin H. Johnson
2008-04-10 18:52         ` Raúl Porcel
2008-04-03  7:24 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-04-01  9:22 Mike Frysinger
2006-04-11  4:02 ` Mike Frysinger

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