Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

[Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org>]

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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:09:12 +0200
Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:26:41AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Unfortunately, what the GLEP doesn't do is prevent the Council from
> > having secret meetings and refusing to discuss not only the content
> > of those meetings but even the topic. Perhaps a requirement that any
> > Council meeting logs be made public would be useful, with a waiver
> > that the Council can have a secret meeting if it officially
> > announces that it is doing so?
> 
> If they want to have sekrit meetings with sekrit handshakes, let
> them. If enough people think this is not acceptable, they'll be gone
> on the next election.

Which is all very well, but it's kind of hard to evaluate the
effectiveness of Council members and the Council as a whole if they're
doing things behind everyone's backs and making horrible threats to try
to prevent people from publishing logs of their goings on...

I mean, what're people supposed to think from the likes of these?

Kugelfang> there have been, at that time, 6 council members plus one
    non council members in that channel
...
Kugelfang> ciaranm: and that's all i'll say regarding that, until the
    rest allows me to speak about the contents of that meeting
...
Kugelfang> i really wish i could publish this thing

and:

wolf31o2|mobile> we're entrusted by certain outside parties to not
    disclose things that are spoken to us in confidence

tove> wolf31o2|mobile: how are outside parties involved in "our" coc? i
    don't understand this. can you please elaborate on it?

wolf31o2|mobile> tove: no, I cannot elaborate, nor do I care to... just
    realize that Gentoo has responsibilities to outside parties that
    provide services and goods to Gentoo... we have relationships that
    we would like to maintain... and that's about all I can say (or
    have time to say... I am at work)

I mean, when it's reached the point where certain Council members are
threatening to pull each others' access if anyone goes public with
whatever it was that was discussed, *something* has to be done... The
details can remain private if necessary, but publishing a brief summary
along the lines of "we discussed x and y and decided z" *has* to be
less harmful than the current mess where people are deleting their work
and considering resignation because of whatever it is the Council are
up to...

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh


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