Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

[Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org>]

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:29:46 -0400
Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > >  - the official package manager of Gentoo would need to be
> > > completely "in-house" with respect to control, direction, etc...
> >
> > Justify that. What does being in-house have to do with having
> > control? Are you claiming that if the Council asks for a feature to
> > be added to Portage that it will be added, or that if the Council
> > asks for a feature to be added to Paludis that it wouldn't?
> 
> with the package manager in house, none of these things are an
> issue.  we dont have to worry about external developers pulling crap
> like closing down a repository and thus denying other developers
> access.

Instead, you have to worry about Gentoo infra people pulling commit
access under the guise of 'security measures' and refusing devrel
requests to restore it.

But you're not addressing the issue. If the Council requests a new
feature in Portage, will it happen?

> > By that logic, Linux can't be the official Gentoo kernel and GCC
> > can't be the official Gentoo compiler, which is clearly silly.
> 
> not the same ... ignoring the fact that there are no real
> alternatives to these packages, "Gentoo" is not "Linux" nor is it
> "GCC" ... you can use it in conjunction with other kernels and
> toolchains

and other package managers, as plenty of people will tell you.

> it is your fault you wont shut it ... constantly complaining about
> the faults of other package mangers is not constructive when you dont
> indend to do anything about it except whine the projects into
> non-existence

Except I've done a lot more about it than that... I've gone off and
written something that's pretty close to being a replacement.

> > > "emerge" is a brand name for Gentoo and while you can complain
> > > about lack of features all you want, dropping portage and
> > > installing a different package manager with a completely
> > > different interface will surely causes a huge pita for everyone
> >
> > In the same way that "dselect" is a brand name for Debian?
> 
> you're confusing dselect with apt-get which is a well-known name
> aspect of Debian

Not at all. dselect used to be a flagship Debian application in the
same way that Portage is for Gentoo.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh


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