Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

[Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org>]

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
"Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Better than many other package managers isn't exactly a glowing
> > commendation. When you consider the disadvantages associated with a
> > source-based distribution, Gentoo has to do a lot better than that
> > in order to be worthwhile -- and it only takes one package manager
> > to be better to make Gentoo not worth using. The goal should be
> > "substantially better than any other package manager"...
> >
> 
> Quoting our Philosophy Page:
> 
> 'The goal of Gentoo is to strive to create near-ideal tools. Tools
> that can accommodate the needs of many different users all with
> divergent goals. Don't you love it when you find a tool that does
> exactly what you want to do? Doesn't it feel great? Our mission is to
> give that sensation to as many people as possible.'

Ah, you're confusing goals with goals.

> I am unaware of any other goals currently present within Gentoo.  I
> would imagine people have goals, projects have goals; but gentoo has
> none other that the one above.  Now you can make the point that
> portage is not a 'near-ideal tool' and I'd agree for a large number
> of use cases; but at least you'd be making a point against something
> thats actually a goal for us instead of some made up goal like
> 'compete against Ubuntu/Fedora'.

If Ubuntu or Fedora do the job better then Gentoo has failed in its
goal of providing a near-ideal tool...

> That said; people are working on it.  You have been hearing that for
> years I know; most of that effort honestly became pkgcore (more or
> less).  I'm not about to say 'just give portage more time' because
> that is a stupid statement to make.  However I seriously doubt
> paludis or pkgcore is ready to take over management for our users.

Mm, and I don't think anyone's making that claim (not until Paludis
reaches 1.0.0_pre, anyway, which is at least three major releases
off...). The claim that is being made is that Gentoo's future depends
upon one or both being ready to take over, and that it's not something
that can continue being treated as "sometime in the distant future".

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh


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