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From: Dominique Michel <dominique.michel@citycable.ch>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo	discriminates	shell
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Le Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:06:41 -0400,
Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> a =C3=A9crit :

> On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 09:39 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> > > No... but didn't one download and burn that CD that is being used f=
or
> > > the _networkless_ install?  One could also download the stage neede=
d,
> > > slap it on a usb key, and viola!  Of course, the other option, is t=
o use
> > > that crazy installer option "Networkless" - I could be wrong, but I=
 do
> > > believe that is the option I would choose.  (Actually I did this ju=
st
> > > the other day because of the issues I am having at home with my
> > > networking.  And it worked splendidly on a P2 366 - so kudos to the
> > > releng team)
> >=20
> > The thing is, they guy does not want to use the installer. I don't
> > remember there being a way to just extract the stages/packages manual=
ly
> > either.
>=20
> OK.  I *said* that I was writing a document on this, but people seem to
> just want to keep on postulating and talking about complete
> inaccuracies.
>=20
> Yes, you can install using portions of the installer from the command
> line (not ncurses).  Unfortunately, one component necessary for a
> complete install from the command line (installing a kernel) was not
> added until after 2006.1 shipped, so you cannot do a completely
> networkless install with only the LiveCD/LiveDVD.

I will just say at this have to be fixed. From the website: "The Gentoo 2=
006.1
Handbook is an effort to centralize documentation into a coherent handboo=
k. It
contains the networkless installation instructions for the 2006.1 release=
 "
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=3Dinstall#doc_chap2

>>From this handbook: "This document covers the installation using a Gentoo=
 Linux
Installation CD, a bootable CD that contains everything you need to get G=
entoo
Linux up and running."
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2006.1/handbook-x86.xml?part=3D1&ch=
ap=3D1

When an user or a potential user read it and want to do a networkless ins=
tall,
it will just use the Live CD install, and just get in trouble. It is even=
 worse
when many Linux magazines will have this CD. And you cannot argue at it i=
s just
to use catalyst or to burn a CD from a stage 3, when the doc say "a boota=
ble CD
that contains everything you need to get Gentoo Linux up and running."


>=20
> > At this point though I think using the installer is reasonable enough.
>=20
> I would agree there.
>=20
=20
I agree too, but only if it work, and it doesn't completely work for a
networless installation.

--=20
Dominique Michel

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