From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GWqHO-0002ap-5e for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:14:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k998DPKE023368; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:13:25 GMT Received: from citycable.ch (mail.alinto.citycable.ch [85.218.0.111]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k998BUb7001388 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:11:31 GMT Received: (qmail 13319 invoked by uid 64); 9 Oct 2006 08:11:30 -0000 Received: from dominique.michel@citycable.ch by alinto.net (uvscan: v4.4.00/v4868. Clean); 09 Oct 2006 08:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (dominique.michel@citycable.ch@85.218.2.234) by smtp.alinto.citycable.ch with SMTP; 9 Oct 2006 08:11:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:11:11 +0200 From: Dominique Michel To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users Message-ID: <20061009101111.6fb6f65f@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1160143601.10578.7.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> References: <1160056361.6289.17.camel@party.homenetwork> <45251647.8080307@gentoo.org> <1160058754.6289.21.camel@party.homenetwork> <45251B7E.9020500@gentoo.org> <45255F73.5000007@gentoo.org> <45256BE9.9030601@gentoo.org> <45260819.7040203@gentoo.org> <1160143601.10578.7.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.2 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEXy8ubtkoXo7+b1+fbN cGKCeWDtamweFA8eMkmKPkPtvcWRoqyV0Pn7AAACbElEQVQ4jXXTMWvbQBQA4MOlizsdXEXp KAi09mKcLZ0EJxONDRJVkikg9AtqTm63gtHDmVJs1GsnC0JiaTMJGN2f67uzznJb+gZj9PFO 7717IqdtvCAmem4bxMLp/2BEyEBF1+U/0H8uhI6rv+BVLNrY/gH9T0L8yAxk2yMY3YuZxDCn TY/gpBByyTGktIcZOIvFjPNJmqYJDwrx3cIoBrE0zzG4FF8tfBAwM+DonKCYWjgROZ6Upjcm 5Qje58JAmlKKGfIAjzaDUuogZBY2Bjg14eDbywMIqZvwqgqFBcVFB0seYONLb00ZZlh4p0F6 FHNoUMyKAzxowJSQTyj+XloYs3MN3GeMpzyYSTMshLM00ODpWlPp4SDbqs4cViDcGAgmlK/a PsaOg7DvIQ3wzANMqB/iQW/XTkoTLO6XhSeHUoQKe+NLjyY/Ldx7CW2D4WTYhZ3V0GP64RpP Q/E66IUWMLj3+nDn4w2ejMACyXFeHZy6ETcZehc49bv1GQ/0bazNuzm97mDkhnoie9i30WYM w/YCnYT7Fx308s98n0IT//Jod1+aOzdzYXLVbftol+PC+REG3u+0AxdEtuSMB6G+DLGwMH4E vXGmJn8VCLM9LhmrOAMQYt5Wi/DFgIC52iFkUzMpDVmjAaDZRGC+JGwDqzJ/G5fUUcWZAaE7 YfvPLYtIU1Wb4A2IeS7uDMgcIFutiCr766qGfKHyuxvTIERKXVNSN27lDgCuBuojlpxIyJV6 ritS1uWWuHF2Ww7qcIKbqEFVNbmtmm3vGSCHbVXjikrY3SpVxwQWw2aIjwG+ueXTJDmHeK6a HfwGyU5ZSlGeSRQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-aduser: dominique.michel@citycable.ch/85.218.2.234 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k998BUb7001388 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k998DPM8023368 X-Archives-Salt: e3669726-1564-49d4-8fc5-072e4592151b X-Archives-Hash: 6311cf3a60bd10312cee0760ac27bf41 Le Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:06:41 -0400, Chris Gianelloni a =C3=A9crit : > On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 09:39 +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > Steev Klimaszewski wrote: > > > No... but didn't one download and burn that CD that is being used f= or > > > the _networkless_ install? One could also download the stage neede= d, > > > slap it on a usb key, and viola! Of course, the other option, is t= o use > > > that crazy installer option "Networkless" - I could be wrong, but I= do > > > believe that is the option I would choose. (Actually I did this ju= st > > > the other day because of the issues I am having at home with my > > > networking. And it worked splendidly on a P2 366 - so kudos to the > > > releng team) > >=20 > > The thing is, they guy does not want to use the installer. I don't > > remember there being a way to just extract the stages/packages manual= ly > > either. >=20 > OK. I *said* that I was writing a document on this, but people seem to > just want to keep on postulating and talking about complete > inaccuracies. >=20 > Yes, you can install using portions of the installer from the command > line (not ncurses). Unfortunately, one component necessary for a > complete install from the command line (installing a kernel) was not > added until after 2006.1 shipped, so you cannot do a completely > networkless install with only the LiveCD/LiveDVD. I will just say at this have to be fixed. From the website: "The Gentoo 2= 006.1 Handbook is an effort to centralize documentation into a coherent handboo= k. It contains the networkless installation instructions for the 2006.1 release= " http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=3Dinstall#doc_chap2 >>From this handbook: "This document covers the installation using a Gentoo= Linux Installation CD, a bootable CD that contains everything you need to get G= entoo Linux up and running." http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2006.1/handbook-x86.xml?part=3D1&ch= ap=3D1 When an user or a potential user read it and want to do a networkless ins= tall, it will just use the Live CD install, and just get in trouble. It is even= worse when many Linux magazines will have this CD. And you cannot argue at it i= s just to use catalyst or to burn a CD from a stage 3, when the doc say "a boota= ble CD that contains everything you need to get Gentoo Linux up and running." >=20 > > At this point though I think using the installer is reasonable enough. >=20 > I would agree there. >=20 =20 I agree too, but only if it work, and it doesn't completely work for a networless installation. --=20 Dominique Michel --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list