From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GX2bj-0007wQ-7X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:24:19 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k99LNN4l023649; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:23 GMT Received: from filer2.rit.edu (filer2.isc.rit.edu [129.21.2.226]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99LLRWC018868 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:21:28 GMT Received: from karimarie.rh.rit.edu (karimarie.rh.rit.edu [129.21.134.10]) by osfmail.rit.edu (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30844) with ESMTPA id <0J6V008119TEVD@osfmail.rit.edu> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:40:53 -0400 From: Kari Hazzard Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo =?utf-8?q?discriminates=09shell_and_networkless?= users In-reply-to: <1160059716.10489.38.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <200610090740.54261.karimarie@mail.rit.edu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 X-RIT-Received-From: 129.21.134.10 djh0579@osfmail.rit.edu References: <1160056361.6289.17.camel@party.homenetwork> <1160059716.10489.38.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> X-Archives-Salt: 7b2c61fb-2c3a-42aa-910c-f74363ed63e8 X-Archives-Hash: 00d40733ec66fe66516ede249db4ab09 On Thursday 05 October 2006 10:48 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > What about *our* choice to not waste time building things we don't want? So what about those of us who DO want that? Forcing us into an installer is more constricting and gives us less freedom--That's not the Gentoo way. "If the tool forces the user to do things a particular way, then the tool is working against, rather than for, the user. We have all experienced situations where tools seem to be imposing their respective wills on us. This is backwards, and contrary to the Gentoo philosophy." - Daniel Robbins > See, what *you* seem to be missing is that we're trying to provide a > better environment for our users. The LiveCD is *not* just an > installation medium anymore. It is a full-fledged Gentoo environment. > It can be used for showcasing Gentoo, as well as system recovery *and* > installation. There's a thing called self-reference criteria. It's anathema in marketing. If you think you know what is best for your users, you will all of your users and thus most of your employees. Your users know what is best for them, *not* you, as you are not a user (whether you have it installed on your desktop notwithstanding you are *not* a user). If your users still want a Universal LiveCD, then the onus is on Gentoo to provide one. -- Kari Hazzard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list