From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GVnTB-0003H7-VU for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:02:22 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k96B1Pdj009623; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:01:25 GMT Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96AxLDW022336 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:59:21 GMT Received: from snowdrop.home (unknown [62.6.163.66]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5009D50C91 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:59:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:59:14 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [DOWNTIME devmanual.gentoo.org] Message-ID: <20061006115914.4733c723@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <4525F3E5.3090802@gentoo.org> References: <4525F3E5.3090802@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_vK=H5XAdI_oCnXzWWALWA6U"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: e4d920b5-1b13-4bc0-9f5d-d5cc72e1a191 X-Archives-Hash: 5e5367479ec4b4a8c1c1519a3ec96c28 --Sig_vK=H5XAdI_oCnXzWWALWA6U Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:12:53 -0400 Alec Warner wrote: | While a flamewar will probably ensue; this is not the intent of this=20 | mail or of the bug filing. Please keep your unproductive comments=20 | off-list and off the bug. I will lock the bug if it becomes | necessary. This mail and the bug exist to allow transparency for this | situation; I don't want an open field where everyone throws their two | cents in just because they can. Only comment if you have something | relevant to say. Ok, for the sake of transparency... Here's the request I sent. I only did so after having being ignored repeatedly and deliberately by plasmaroo, who refuses to even acknowledge that I've asked him to fix things. You'll note that nowhere did I demand that Kurt immediately pull everything and start making a fuss in public. A simple "yes, there's a problem, and we'll get it fixed within the next few days" would have been fine. I deliberately kept this private because fixing a few very simple things should not involve huge arguments in public. Ideally it'd just involve a quick /query on IRC... As for why attribution matters... Aside from the legal issue, the *only* thing any of the devmanual authors get for having written it is to get their name on it. There's no pay, no rewards. Replacing the cover page author list with the name of one guy who didn't contribute anything in a huge font is just about the most impressive "screw you" one could possibly give to a volunteer. Meh, but since this has been brought out in public, here's the full text. Hopefully it'll help dispel some of the fud a few people are spreading: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Following up upon my previous post [3] and requests over IRC, which have not yet been resolved: The "Gentoo Development Guide" (devmanual), which is being hosted on a gentoo.org domain at [1], is being distributed in violation of its licence. The devmanual is distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 licence [2], which has the following to say in 4c: "at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such other comparable authorship credit." Note in particular "at least as prominent as". The current cover page does not follow this requirement. It lists Tim Yamin as 'Editor', with myself in smaller type below, and does not include any of the other original authors (and copyright holders) with the same prominence. Please either restore the author credits to their original form or cease from distributing the devmanual. It is my understanding that between the listed Editor, QA, devrel, the Council, the Foundation and the people maintaining the gentoo.org website, at least one available person should be able to make this change -- if not, please let me know whom I should contact. I realise that it may take a few days to make the change; in any case, please notify me of your intentions as soon as reasonably possible. Many thanks, [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ [2] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ [3] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=3Dgentoo-dev&m=3D114850574909268&w=3D2 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ as-needed is broken : http://ciaranm.org/show_post.pl?post_id=3D13 --Sig_vK=H5XAdI_oCnXzWWALWA6U Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFJjcH96zL6DUtXhERAkrMAKCeJDqL/4yEY1SeZAmUh9WZP7dnogCgsr0p uQk4XisdojrSM3mBiYFLlS4= =GCYf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_vK=H5XAdI_oCnXzWWALWA6U-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list