From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GVI8b-00054f-VH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:35:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k951Y9nd005912; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:34:09 GMT Received: from siemen.orkz.net (atwork-147.r-212.178.113.atwork.nl [212.178.113.147]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951WFMr024743 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:32:15 GMT Received: (qmail 9487 invoked by uid 98); 5 Oct 2006 01:32:14 -0000 Received: from 192.168.1.220 by siemen.orkz.net (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.88.4/1763. spamassassin: 3.1.4. Clear:RC:1(192.168.1.220):. Processed in 0.02588 secs); 05 Oct 2006 01:32:14 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: jer@gentoo.org via siemen.orkz.net X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(192.168.1.220):. Processed in 0.02588 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO epia.jeroenr-c2.orkz.net) (192.168.1.220) by siemen.orkz.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 01:32:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 03:32:14 +0200 From: Jeroen Roovers To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. *lol* Message-Id: <20061005033214.a052e766.jer@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <4523BAB8.9090901@gentoo.org> References: <20061004070014.843d851d.tcort@gentoo.org> <45239C82.2050502@gentoo.org> <3b09e8e90610040610y11be9cd9md4e4077dced308a@mail.gmail.com> <4523BAB8.9090901@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.9 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 44e4f2bd-3925-490d-98df-7c23ddf694ba X-Archives-Hash: fa096acd207ef0b1b2f2ac21d0bdb630 On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:44:24 +0200 Luca Longinotti wrote: > TreeCleaners, to an extent Security etc. _do_ remove what is dead, > what has reached points of unmaintainability and brokenness that > cannot be anymore supported. The rest still is there because it works > (so why remove it?), or because it has someone that keeps it alive > (so why remove it?). If there's something to do here, it's kicking > out old, broken stuff etc. faster and improving QA (as Kevin already > pointed out), definitely not making it so difficult to add new stuff > that no one will, that only produces stagnation of the tree in the > end. Maybe we could all move toward a more productive use of this metaphor of an actual tree. Stuff lives in trees, birds nest there, leaves grow, twigs spring, branches, er branch off, dead leaves fall to the ground, new leaves bud, buds even bud, all kinds of stuff goes on throughout the life of a tree, yet I have really never come across a tree that "stagnates". It just isn't something that trees get up to. Maybe it's only when birds start getting territorial about stuff (official maintainership through metadata during longe leaves of absence, wanting to stop some kinds of birds nesting, forbidding new suns to grow toward) that the tree starts looking ugly and useless and perhaps might starve. This tree is rooted in an openly available and usable plenty of soil. It is this "software"'s use to the tree as well as the tree's use to the software that keeps the tree alive, and there is an entire ecosystem that revolves around keeping itself alive, with a vivid interest in keeping even this tree. Us devs are perhaps the tiny ants that milk the plant lice that live on the leaves of our tree. We may not always see the whole of the tree and the height and breadth it reaches, seeing as we are climbing the branches far from the furthest reaches of twigs and roots , but we do continously work to clean up our tree and make it more useful to at least ourselves, helping many others as we go along to find their way among the many branches, and see better horizons. Kind regards, JeR -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list