From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GV6qz-0005BJ-0m for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:32:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k94DTsYh001602; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:29:54 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94DQhgD032148 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:26:44 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x30so479091nfb for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:x-face:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:sender; b=eGos8ayRezbXPGhraQjyqmmtPVb266bB63ZNNVBIdOlThCEowGb7XqRtYwuCgqXuk/wIi+yogMu7V6WhZzZMWzlHBpRJp35k1ZqU+wzeJFEwl2EtI+xQ0d3QMNxneKkj1EXYN3lqwFMiyAwdpQat+YUEVyyWLjFNp0ibtyaC6HM= Received: by 10.49.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr2292533nfj; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org ( [151.56.80.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c10sm1173043nfb.2006.10.04.06.26.42; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diego 'Flameeyes' =?iso-8859-1?q?Petten=F2?=" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:26:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20061004070014.843d851d.tcort@gentoo.org> <45239C82.2050502@gentoo.org> <3b09e8e90610040610y11be9cd9md4e4077dced308a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3b09e8e90610040610y11be9cd9md4e4077dced308a@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: +=-v@W}H`=.Bn2t&97Un7{[.c0aP0"8)JI?7Z?E>l>ZNY|,=?utf-8?q?mL=5C3bs=0A=09xW=23jRz=7CVa=5C?=@NIS3-'W[F.^YLqK=rS:D*Ke`Y5giI@$(xIBQ<0i740;wuI{lYd>>=?utf-8?q?eFVDuAr=0A=09=3Br=5B*=7E/zd=604dEI?= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart14166658.SKt45ClM0d"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200610041526.40286@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> Sender: "=?UTF-8?Q?Diego=20\"Flameeyes\"=20Petten=C3=B2?=" X-Archives-Salt: bbc16733-488d-4c91-947f-084c285b2036 X-Archives-Hash: a3536a5e0cdde38d3ec008b003b38467 --nextPart14166658.SKt45ClM0d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Okay, I didn't want to answer anymore to this thread because I really find = it=20 suited for April 1st, not October 4th, but seems like I cannot... On Wednesday 04 October 2006 15:10, Thomas Cort wrote: > I was thinking something similar to what Ubuntu does,=20 > they provide the basics to do most things and then they have universe > and multiverse repos for extra stuff. And one of the main thing that new users like of Gentoo when compared to=20 Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora is that you have almost everything available out = of=20 the box. Not counting that a good deal of the packages in the tree does not really=20 require much maintainership. > I believe that we have too many packages for us to maintain. We have > over 11,000 packages (over 24,000 ebuilds) and only about 175 active > developers. I don't think its maintainable and I don't think adding > more packages will make it any better. Let's see, about 400 packages are handled by KDE herd. Not sure how many ar= e=20 currently handled by X11 herd after modular Xorg was addded, at least 20=20 packages are handled by BSD herd, and I think I maintain directly about 40= =20 packages; we have about 30 kernel sources packages, and a uncounted number = of=20 minor or micro packages. I think my stuff is pretty well maintained, too. The problem is not the=20 quantity, the problem is the coverage. > Every developer should have access to at least 1 Gentoo system. They > should also be able to determine if something is stable or not. It > would cut down on the number of keyword/stable bugs if developers did > a lot of their own keywording. Cut the crap, if you allow me. I have four systems: AMD64, PowerPC and two= =20 i386 (FreeBSD) boxes. I run ~amd64 and ~ppc, I cannot stable anything for=20 those two, and I don't want to waste time in a stable overlay. I've resigned from AMD64 team for that reason, too. > Even when someone is found it is hard for them to find mentors. We > need to improve this. Well, happens to me that I always found enough mentors to do the job.. even= if=20 it required to wait some weeks. > What happened to working together? Should we work together instead of > competing against each other? Competing does not mean "try to kill the other", means "try to do a similar= =20 thing in a different way", that is something that we are already doing by=20 being a (mostly) Linux distribution... Why don't you go help Ubuntu, if you think that competing is bad? > We've got tons of keywording/stable bugs. There aren't enough > developers to do all the proper testing on all of the architectures > supported by Gentoo. Many of the arches are dead or soon to be dead > (m68k, alpha, mips, etc). Yeah and as others said, x86 and AMD64 are way more of a bottleneck than=20 Alpha, Sparc or PPC64 ..... I've asked two days ago a re-keywording of libao and libao-pulse. ~amd64 an= d=20 ~x86-fbsd keywords are mine; the only keyword added after those was ~ppc64 = up=20 to now. If I look through the PulseAudio packages, x86 is missing everywhere, even = if=20 users asked for keywording. Sure, killing Gentoo/FreeBSD will improve x86=20 support, yeah sure, keep on tryin'. =2D-=20 Diego "Flameeyes" Petten=F2 - http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ Gentoo/Alt lead, Gentoo/FreeBSD, Video, Sound, ALSA, PAM, KDE, CJK, Ruby ... --nextPart14166658.SKt45ClM0d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFI7aQe2h1+2mHVWMRAoBaAKDVk7MES4RQ4KHOv35ykUh+NPHLIQCdF+Ja JIXUF6TdYZDoGrGjQmPVD3U= =+Nbd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart14166658.SKt45ClM0d-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list