From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GQ6iP-0002IG-PD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:22:34 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8KIKjAM000286; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:20:45 GMT Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8KIGdlG021223 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:16:40 GMT Received: from outaamta01.mail.tds.net (outaamta01.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.31]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8KIGcIU006133 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:16:38 -0500 Received: from cerberus.oppresses.us ([69.21.248.25]) by outaamta01.mail.tds.net with ESMTP id <20060920181638.ZVIP5875.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@cerberus.oppresses.us> for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:16:38 -0500 Received: by cerberus.oppresses.us (Postfix, from userid 500) id 719DA4AE96; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:16:35 -0400 From: Jon Portnoy To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds Message-ID: <20060920181635.GA29243@cerberus.oppresses.us> References: <45103E6B.4020308@gentoo.org> <1158760778.9800.2.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <45114A81.30600@gentoo.org> <1158763780.9800.15.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1158763780.9800.15.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i X-Archives-Salt: 91100b53-1a85-474d-99ee-cd4d00294dd6 X-Archives-Hash: db1fcfddbe6db2887f655d22984f476b On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:49:40AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Because it's *REALLY* stupid and shows just how unprofessional we are > when we have multiple groups doing the *EXACT* same thing using > different policies and procedures and all pushing it as if it were > *OFFICIAL* for the distribution. > > I mean, we're really getting to the point where this is getting > *COMPLETELY* ludicrous. Instead of trying to work together, we have > every yahoo with an @gentoo.org address who wants to do something > *slightly* differently coming up with a new "project" for it. > Once upon a time, all us yahoos with @gentoo.org addresses could start doing something new and interesting without getting chewed on. I don't see you wanting to work together with anyone, I see you attacking this with no apparent justification provided except "we could have done this too" > Why can't we simply try to work *together* on things instead of this > whole "I'll start a new project" mentality that we have? It seems that > this *exact* sort of action is what causes frustrations between > developers and serves to strengthen the territorial pissing contests > that are going on daily all over Gentoo. The reason why it seems Gentoo > is fracturing is because of multiple people doing the exact same thing > in slightly different ways. Our users don't know what the hell is going > on anymore. Well, they're not alone... neither do I. > Chris, I have all the respect in the world for releng and the work you do there. I know firsthand that releng is a very difficult task. However, I am having great difficulty comprehending why you even bothered sending this mail. Are you trying to say releng was already doing this and nobody knew about it, or that releng should've been asked to approve this, or what? You're the only one getting territorial about it, I'm curious as to what the real issue is. -- Jon Portnoy avenj/irc.freenode.net -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list