Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
> days.

In the future, could you please CC the maintainers on these kinds of
notices? They may fade into the noise on -dev.

Thanks,
Donnie


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 12:32 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
>>> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
>>> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
>>> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
>>> days.
>> In the future, could you please CC the maintainers on these kinds of
>> notices? They may fade into the noise on -dev.
> 
> The maintainer obviously recieved the e-mail from bugzilla, I'd hope
> that would be enough. But certainly, I'll try remember that and ask that
> the rest of the team does too.

Heh, bugzilla mail goes into the "priority lowest" queue for a lot of
people..


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Elfyn McBratney]

On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 12:44:51PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 > Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
 > > On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 12:32 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 > >> Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
 > >>> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
 > >>> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
 > >>> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
 > >>> days.
 > >> In the future, could you please CC the maintainers on these kinds of
 > >> notices? They may fade into the noise on -dev.
 > > 
 > > The maintainer obviously recieved the e-mail from bugzilla, I'd hope
 > > that would be enough. But certainly, I'll try remember that and ask that
 > > the rest of the team does too.
 > 
 > Heh, bugzilla mail goes into the "priority lowest" queue for a lot of
 > people..

Considering that the maintainer is seldom around (not meant in a bad
way, things^Wlife happens), it's pretty much a moot point.

Best,
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[gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Christel Dahlskjaer]

Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
days.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Roy Marples]

On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:25, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
> days.

Unless anyone else steps up, I'll take it as I use Drupal for my home site.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

On Saturday 09 September 2006 20:25, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
> days.

Hi.
shillelagh has called the attention that it's bug #98524

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Christel Dahlskjaer]

On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 12:32 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> > Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
> > progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
> > someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
> > days.
> 
> In the future, could you please CC the maintainers on these kinds of
> notices? They may fade into the noise on -dev.

The maintainer obviously recieved the e-mail from bugzilla, I'd hope
that would be enough. But certainly, I'll try remember that and ask that
the rest of the team does too.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:28:10 +0100 Roy Marples <uberlord@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:25, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
| > Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen
| > no progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and
| > unless someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be
| > removed in 30 days.
| 
| Unless anyone else steps up, I'll take it as I use Drupal for my home
| site.

Given Drupal's history, is it really worth maintaining it in the tree?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Christel Dahlskjaer]

On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 21:25 +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
> days.

Er, as someone just pointed out on IRC, the bug is
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98524 not 98542 as I first said.
Sorry!


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Jakub Moc]

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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:28:10 +0100 Roy Marples <uberlord@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:25, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
> | > Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen
> | > no progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and
> | > unless someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be
> | > removed in 30 days.
> | 
> | Unless anyone else steps up, I'll take it as I use Drupal for my home
> | site.
> 
> Given Drupal's history, is it really worth maintaining it in the tree?

I don't think so.

Upstream completely sucks and keeps changing the tarballs silently over
and over again, so the only solution to the above bug is to remove all
of the modules/themes/etc. from the ebuild.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Roy Marples]

On Saturday 09 September 2006 22:34, Jakub Moc wrote:
> Upstream completely sucks and keeps changing the tarballs silently over
> and over again, so the only solution to the above bug is to remove all
> of the modules/themes/etc. from the ebuild.

Nothing wrong with that - most modules, themes for it suck.
Just install the main drupal build and let users handle the rest until 
webapp-config allows installs in same dir for different ebuilds.

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Alec Warner]

Jakub Moc wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:28:10 +0100 Roy Marples <uberlord@gentoo.org>
>> wrote:
>> | On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:25, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
>> | > Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen
>> | > no progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and
>> | > unless someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be
>> | > removed in 30 days.
>> | 
>> | Unless anyone else steps up, I'll take it as I use Drupal for my home
>> | site.
>>
>> Given Drupal's history, is it really worth maintaining it in the tree?
> 
> I don't think so.
> 
> Upstream completely sucks and keeps changing the tarballs silently over
> and over again, so the only solution to the above bug is to remove all
> of the modules/themes/etc. from the ebuild.
> 
> 

So which sucks, upstream or our unbending policy?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Luca Barbato]

Alec Warner wrote:

> 
> So which sucks, upstream or our unbending policy?

upstream for that reason

us because we haven't a tool like the one BaSS wrote for the ebooks.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Jakub Moc]

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Alec Warner wrote:
> Jakub Moc wrote:
>> Upstream completely sucks and keeps changing the tarballs silently over
>> and over again, so the only solution to the above bug is to remove all
>> of the modules/themes/etc. from the ebuild.
> 
> So which sucks, upstream or our unbending policy?

Changing tarballs without a version bump is retarded and makes baby
jesus cry. I don't think there's anything wrong with a policy that
requires valid digests, or a policy that forbids installing loads of
orphaned files in pkg_config().


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Stuart Herbert]

On 9/9/06, Christel Dahlskjaer <christel@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
> days.

Why didn't you escalate this to either of the webapps herd leads
first?  You've certainly had the opportunity to do so before now.

We're all meant to be working _together_.  This is _not_ a shining
example of how to do so.

Best regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Jakub Moc]

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Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On 9/9/06, Christel Dahlskjaer <christel@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Drupal has had QA bug #98542 open for over a year now, and has seen no
>> progress in resolving it. It has now been package.masked, and unless
>> someone jumps up to fix the outstanding issues will be removed in 30
>> days.
> 
> Why didn't you escalate this to either of the webapps herd leads
> first?  You've certainly had the opportunity to do so before now.
> 
> We're all meant to be working _together_.  This is _not_ a shining
> example of how to do so.

Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I
asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Stuart Herbert]

On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I
> asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)

The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work together.
 It's not trying to work with existing teams.

Best regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Stuart Herbert]

On 9/10/06, Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Alec Warner wrote:
> upstream for that reason

Upstream sucks badly here.

> us because we haven't a tool like the one BaSS wrote for the ebooks.

Such a tool would deal with many modules, but not all of them.  Some
modules require additional dependencies, which a tool just isn't going
to know about.  Last count, there were 187 modules for Drupal
upstream; there are probably more now.

I have new ebuilds for drupal, and a number of modules (I think I got
up to 'f') locally.  I'll get them into the webapps overlay, so that
folks can test them, and help out.

Drupal's such a beast that it probably needs its own herd to keep on
top of things.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Alec Warner]

Stuart Herbert wrote:
> On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I
>> asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
> 
> The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
> advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work together.
> It's not trying to work with existing teams.

So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for 
complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}

You can always revert the mask also; most developers have cvs commit 
access (I know you do).

> 
> Best regards,
> Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:01:02 -0400 Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| Stuart Herbert wrote:
| > On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
| >> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last
| >> time I asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
| > 
| > The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
| > advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work
| > together. It's not trying to work with existing teams.
| 
| So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for 
| complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}

Now why does it not surprise me that you of all people are encouraging
people to complain about Christel? Is there something you'd like to get
out in the open?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[George Prowse]

On 11/09/06, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:01:02 -0400 Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | Stuart Herbert wrote:
> | > On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
> | >> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last
> | >> time I asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
> | >
> | > The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
> | > advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work
> | > together. It's not trying to work with existing teams.
> |
> | So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for
> | complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}
>
> Now why does it not surprise me that you of all people are encouraging
> people to complain about Christel? Is there something you'd like to get
> out in the open?
>
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>
>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Alec Warner]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:01:02 -0400 Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | Stuart Herbert wrote:
> | > On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
> | >> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last
> | >> time I asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
> | > 
> | > The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
> | > advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work
> | > together. It's not trying to work with existing teams.
> | 
> | So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for 
> | complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}
> 
> Now why does it not surprise me that you of all people are encouraging
> people to complain about Christel? Is there something you'd like to get
> out in the open?
> 

ROFL :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Christel Dahlskjaer]

On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 11:01 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I
> >> asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
> > 
> > The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
> > advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work together.
> > It's not trying to work with existing teams.
> 
> So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for 
> complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}

I actually second Stuart on this one, I should have contacted web-apps
and believe that we should make it procedure to do so in the future.
That was my mistake entirely. 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Roy Marples]

On Monday 11 September 2006 14:07, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> I have new ebuilds for drupal, and a number of modules (I think I got
> up to 'f') locally.  I'll get them into the webapps overlay, so that
> folks can test them, and help out.

I'm more than happy for you to take Drupal instead of me :)
However, is there any reason that the main drupal ebuild cannot stay in 
portage?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Stuart Herbert]

On 9/11/06, Roy Marples <uberlord@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I'm more than happy for you to take Drupal instead of me :)
> However, is there any reason that the main drupal ebuild cannot stay in
> portage?

No reason at all, that I know of.

Drupal's a package I can't really work on; I work for a company that
writes and sells a very successful (and proprietry) CMS.  Looking
after the main ebuild isn't that much work for someone; it's sorting
out all the modules that's a full-time job.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Seemant Kulleen]

On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 17:10 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> Now why does it not surprise me that you of all people are encouraging
> people to complain about Christel? Is there something you'd like to get
> out in the open?
> 

I've been watching you spew for a while.  When are you going to get over
it?  All he did was try and redirect where complaints should go.  Stop
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Lance Albertson]

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Alec Warner wrote:
> Stuart Herbert wrote:
>> On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I
>>> asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
>>
>> The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
>> advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work together.
>> It's not trying to work with existing teams.
> 
> So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for
> complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}

Why are you so "file a complaint" happy lately? Isn't it the general
idea (and maybe even documented on our site) that people are supposed to
work out the issues before you go to the complaint phase? I really don't
like the idea of us opting for filing a compliant rather than work with
the person individually first.

> You can always revert the mask also; most developers have cvs commit
> access (I know you do).



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

[Alec Warner]

Lance Albertson wrote:
> Alec Warner wrote:
>> Stuart Herbert wrote:
>>> On 9/11/06, Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>> Uhm, web-apps has been CCed on the bug since the beginning. Last time I
>>>> asked, noone wanted to touch the FUBARed ebuild, IIRC. :)
>>> The package was masked without Christel (on behalf of QA) posting an
>>> advance warning of their actions.  That's not trying to work together.
>>> It's not trying to work with existing teams.
>> So file a complaint; once again the -dev list shouldn't be for
>> complaining about how people {suck,don't follow policy}
> 
> Why are you so "file a complaint" happy lately? Isn't it the general
> idea (and maybe even documented on our site) that people are supposed to
> work out the issues before you go to the complaint phase? I really don't
> like the idea of us opting for filing a compliant rather than work with
> the person individually first.
> 

I should perhaps change my wording; I don't want to see 'bitching' on
this list; declaring to the entire community that "person X broke
policy" or that "person Y sucks at life" is pointless in most cases.  If
they did something wrong, inform them about it.  If they repeatedly
break policy, inform their lead.  I just don't want to see it on list.
So if it shows up, that will be my response.

Sorry if it seemed like I'm trying to make devrel have too many cases,
I'm just tired of seeing the bickering here.

-Alec Warner

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