* [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
@ 2006-09-08 0:00 ` Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
2006-09-09 1:59 ` Elfyn McBratney
2006-09-08 0:39 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] " Mike Frysinger
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From: Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer @ 2006-09-08 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Tach Chris, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
Chris White schrieb:
> So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an
> actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy,
> you can put "community" or something if that's all you want. All responses
> off list please. Thanks.
[user]
I wanted to switch to Linux for a long time. Always had Debian in mind
(because of their FOSS attitude and community), then I asked a friend of
mine to help me migrate. He was a Gentoo user and offered to install
that...was ok for me, it was just for testing. So now I am stuck.
Why I stayed? Because of help available, because of the command line
integration that is better than others I know (I even liked the MS DOS
command line better than Windows 3.11), because of portage (despite all
its short-comings). And now because of the fun with the x86 project.
V-Li
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
@ 2006-09-09 1:59 ` Elfyn McBratney
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From: Elfyn McBratney @ 2006-09-09 1:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 12:00:00AM +0000, Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
> Tach Chris, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
>
> Chris White schrieb:
> > So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an
> > actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy,
> > you can put "community" or something if that's all you want. All responses
> > off list please. Thanks.
> [...]
Note the "off list" bit, please. 8) No need to reply to this one,
either... :P
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
2006-09-08 0:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
@ 2006-09-08 0:39 ` Mike Frysinger
[not found] ` <4500DECB.7050101@gentoo.org>
2006-09-08 0:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pablo Yanez Trujillo
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From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-09-08 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Thursday 07 September 2006 20:31, Chris White wrote:
> So, wondering why people use Gentoo.
penis envy
-mike
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
2006-09-08 0:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
2006-09-08 0:39 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] " Mike Frysinger
@ 2006-09-08 0:48 ` Pablo Yanez Trujillo
2006-09-08 11:33 ` Ioannis Aslanidis
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From: Pablo Yanez Trujillo @ 2006-09-08 0:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
[user]
I started using gentoo on dec. 2003. This was my first "big" step after one year SuSE Linux. I was very delight when I
saw, that I was able to build my own system (I always wanted it) with my own requirements and in the way I wanted it to
be built. I was very happy when I didn't saw the rcX.d hell and using rc-update instead was very easy and confortable. I
quickly noted that Gentoo was easier to configure thougth you don't use something graphical and I use gentoo since then,
because I didn't find anything "better" for me in the last 3 years :)
Pablo
Pablo Yánez Trujillo
http://klingsor.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/
Chris White wrote:
> So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an
> actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you
> can put "community" or something if that's all you want. All responses off
> list please. Thanks.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2006-09-08 0:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pablo Yanez Trujillo
@ 2006-09-08 11:33 ` Ioannis Aslanidis
2006-09-08 17:30 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo [user] Sven Köhler
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From: Ioannis Aslanidis @ 2006-09-08 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Chris White wrote:
> All responses off
> list please. Thanks.
GG
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo [user]
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2006-09-08 11:33 ` Ioannis Aslanidis
@ 2006-09-08 17:30 ` Sven Köhler
2006-09-09 1:09 ` [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo David Grant
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From: Sven Köhler @ 2006-09-08 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gentoo-user
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> So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an
> actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you
> can put "community" or something if that's all you want. All responses off
> list please. Thanks.
Hi,
so i'm using Gentoo because of the flexibility and because there is no
"support for SuSE Linux 8 has exprired"-thing.
Gentoo systems live on, somehow. A new openssl series, a new gcc, a new
glibc - hey! who cares? My Gentoo-system lives on. I don't have to
upgrade from SuSE 10.0 to 10.1 or something. Gentoo has the right tools:
revdep-rebuild and so on! Simply great work!
And oh: PostgreSQL 8.0 is not stable yet? No problem with Gentoo! I just
unmask it, and the rest of system keeps using the stable x86-packages.
What did you say? You cannot just take the PostGreSQL 8.0 DEB from
Debian unstable and install it on your stable SuSE or Debian? It depends
on the newer unstable glibc package? LOL!
That all the packages are compiled brings so many advantages sometimes.
But of course it takes time to install and maintain Gentoo - more time
than SuSE or Debian of course.
Then this great great baselayout! It's simply brilliant!
And it's sooo easy to write your own ebuilds! No "./configure
--prefix=/path/to/my_sofware"-mess anymore! I write my own ebuilds and
the software i need gets installed like any other package.
Greetings,
Sven
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
2006-09-08 17:30 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo [user] Sven Köhler
@ 2006-09-09 1:09 ` David Grant
2006-09-09 3:03 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [user] " reader
2006-09-10 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Troy Curtis Jr
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From: David Grant @ 2006-09-09 1:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gentoo-user, gentoo-core
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On 9/7/06, Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> All responses off list please.
Please people, it's common sense to read emails before you reply to them.
:-)
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: [user] Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
` (5 preceding siblings ...)
2006-09-09 1:09 ` [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo David Grant
@ 2006-09-09 3:03 ` reader
2006-09-10 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Troy Curtis Jr
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From: reader @ 2006-09-09 3:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: gentoo-user
Unlike many linux users I started with linux and had to learn windows
later. In both cases I was already an `old man'. On my fiftieth
birthday in 1996, I started with Redhat linux somewhere in the 3X
version area.
I stumbled and plunged, plunged and stumbled all the way up to now.
And here 10 yrs later am still capable of asking dead stupid
questions.
It may not show too much but I have learned hugely along the way.
I finally tired of redhat (by then it was the fedora branch) and had
tried quite a few others along the way,
Slackware, Debian were really the only two `others' for quite a
while but then I tried mandrake and suse too.
Always returning to redhat/fedora in the end for the simple fact I
knew it best.
So none of the others held enough draw for me to drop redhat/fedora.
Until I met Gentoo. About 1 1/2 yrs ago now.
It wasn't love at first boot as many here have reported but by then I
was tired of the need to basically reinstall every few mnths or face
the dependancy hell people have mentioned that can arise in rpm
systems.
I bounced back and forth for a few wks until I finally learned enough
to keep my gentoo system up and have some confidence I knew how to
upgrade etc.
Unlike some posters here I haven't noticed that this list is really
much different than the old redhat now fedora lists. Only to say that
the old redhat lists seemed to have more real experts than the later
Fedora branch lists.
But both were incredibly helpfull too. This list follows a long linux
tradition of being very helpful to new and not so new users. Gentoo
lists may well be setting the high water mark in having a high
`real experts' ratio.
The only real breach I ever noticed in that tradition was Debian lists
which (Putting on asbestos drawers now) are very snotty and have a
religious zealot overtone not found elsewhere.
And now finally getting to the point: In a brief summary one might
say:
emerge -u world
and all the emerge jobs in between when needing specific tools. That
is, the emerge/portage system is really a well rounded, and robust
software managing tool.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-08 0:31 [gentoo-dev] Why you use Gentoo Chris White
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2006-09-09 3:03 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [user] " reader
@ 2006-09-10 21:59 ` Troy Curtis Jr
2006-09-10 22:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
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From: Troy Curtis Jr @ 2006-09-10 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: chriswhite
On 9/7/06, Chris White <chriswhite@gentoo.org> wrote:
> So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an
> actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you
> can put "community" or something if that's all you want. All responses off
> list please. Thanks.
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>
[user]
I began with Mandrake which I used for a couple of years, but as
updates came my machine seemed to get slower and slower (even though
the hardware wasn't changing). Then I read about the fact that most
distros (included Mandrake) still compiled just about everything for
i386, but that Yoper was different.
So I installed Yoper and I really loved how fast it made my system
feel. But the elation faded very quickly as this small project had
very few software packages and I had a heck of a time getting sources
to compile (dependencies!). So I begin to poke at Linux from Scratch,
but I knew that it would be a nightmare to maintain.
Eventually, I heard about Gentoo, and I haven't looked back (~1.5
years). I even suffered (in time) through the install on my pII
300MHz machine so I could use if for a router. I toyed with other
distros (in multi boot or VMWare sessions) and I just can't find
anything that comes close.
Also as many others have mentioned, the docs are great. I routinely
use the gentoo docs to troubleshoot issues with our Red Hat boxes at
work.
So in summary:
* Optimization
* Control
* Documentation
* The bundled gcc screensaver ;-), as they say on tllts
Troy
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-10 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Troy Curtis Jr
@ 2006-09-10 22:56 ` Ryan Hill
2006-09-10 23:20 ` George Prowse
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From: Ryan Hill @ 2006-09-10 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
> So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if
> you're an actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't
> need to be fancy, you can put "community" or something if that's all
> you want. All responses off list please. Thanks.
I use Gentoo because of its intelligent user community that reads
messages all the way through and actually understands simple directions
like "all responses off list" before firing off their knee-jerk canned
fanboy responses, especially when they're repeated three times.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Why you use Gentoo
2006-09-10 22:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
@ 2006-09-10 23:20 ` George Prowse
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From: George Prowse @ 2006-09-10 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 10/09/06, Ryan Hill <dirtyepic.sk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if
> > you're an actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't
> > need to be fancy, you can put "community" or something if that's all
> > you want. All responses off list please. Thanks.
>
> I use Gentoo because of its intelligent user community that reads
> messages all the way through and actually understands simple directions
> like "all responses off list" before firing off their knee-jerk canned
> fanboy responses, especially when they're repeated three times.
>
> --de.
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>
There is a 10 page thread about this on the forums
George
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