From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGfLs-00044N-3n for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:20:16 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7PHIkGR022297; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:18:46 GMT Received: from mailrelay2.tu-graz.ac.at (mailrelay.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.2.202]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7PHGsjx007614 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:16:54 GMT Received: from superlupo.rechner (M2551P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at [212.183.50.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailrelay2.tu-graz.ac.at (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7PHGo0P010671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:16:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by superlupo (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA05887ED1; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:13:59 +0200 From: Wernfried Haas To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet Message-ID: <20060825171359.GB15870@superlupo.rechner> References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <20060824145416.13761551@snowdrop.home> <1156458543.19720.57.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="V0207lvV8h4k8FAm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1156458543.19720.57.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (Linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 129.27.10.19 X-Archives-Salt: 2efedf52-47d3-4a44-9a14-51aa972d901d X-Archives-Hash: ac36633cbe0668ade1c8e21f3ea9f7e5 --V0207lvV8h4k8FAm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:29:03PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Quite frankly, I think that with a properly run community, there should > be no need for a "Developer Relations" project, since it should be > mostly self-policing. With 300+ people, i severely doubt self policing would work. I assume you were mostly thinking about conflict resolution when you wrote this, but there are other things like=20 - recruitment - retirement of developers that=20 - quit - go AWOL etc. In an ideal world with a self-policing community this could work out, however i rather tend to assume one of these things happen in the real world:=20 - People get recruited by anyone in whatever way and have no idea about our policies, breaking the tree in their first commit. - Developers retire and no one removes their access due to lack of procedure - Devs go AWOL, no one notices. If someone notices, perhaps he starts volunteering doing this kind of clean-up work, and technically a new devrel project emerges. > Beyond that, the leadership should have the power > and the ability to take care of problems in a timely manner without the > need for droves of bureaucratic process. The process (http://dev.gentoo.org/~plasmaroo/policy.xml) is reorganized and should fulfill both your concern for a timely manner and is much less bureaucratic.=20 Also, there's a lot of stuff happening other than the conflict resolution stuff with regard to ombudsman and often kloeri resolving things - you don't read that on the news, but i'm not sure if council members should spend a lot of their time to resolve silly conflicts between devs, they're elected make decisions, not obsolete devrel. ;-) Btw, the new policy also includes the possibility of refering a decision to the council in certain cases, see "Resolution and Appeal". > I'm sure nearly every member > of devrel would agree that they would love to see a Gentoo where devrel > simply wasn't needed. I assume you're only refering to conflict resolution again, and i agree it would be great. I just don't think this is ever going to happen as long there are more than 50 developers. cheers, Wernfried --=20 Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org --V0207lvV8h4k8FAm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7y/XK/GNBBblp4ARAlb9AJ4/e9Im83khrf+CGCfpNQgaZ6vCbwCfd0H5 U5+fA0B9q+2U/6LPoK1YXzI= =HQGn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --V0207lvV8h4k8FAm-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list