From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GGFR6-0003Ai-CF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:39:56 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7ODcedt031506; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:38:40 GMT Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7ODZSx6012800 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:35:28 GMT Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GGFMm-0002c5-B8 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:35:28 +0100 Received: from [82.41.57.20] (helo=snowdrop.home) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GGFMf-0000En-CZ for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:35:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:35:16 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet Message-ID: <20060824143516.3974387a@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <44ED5B2F.8010605@gentoo.org> References: <44ECF00D.7050107@gentoo.org> <20060824065019.GA13655@superlupo.rechner> <44ED5B2F.8010605@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7eef4e67-eb7d-4f37-9210-bafce60db1c9 X-Archives-Hash: 69a86c179c2f7834c523f0c63b1c4666 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:54:23 -0700 Donnie Berkholz wrote: | Wernfried Haas wrote: | > I rather have the current process with all its problems than one | > single ruler deciding stuff, even if he decides good - or like a | > total moron, you just never know with kings. | > The king is dead, long live the council! | | The council doesn't actually do anything AFAICT, it just "approves" | GLEP decisions that have already been made. So in effect we have no | leadership. And that is a large part of the problem. Were the council less spineless, things might actually get done. The problem with a dictatorship is that when the dictator screws up, the damage is huge. The problem with a representative democracy -- especially when using Condorcet, which is highly biased in favour of moderates -- is that nobody is prepared to do anything that's in any way risky, controversial or useful. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list