From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G3Elx-00037V-5j for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:19:41 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6JGIgCL031294; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:18:42 GMT Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JGFhMh024145 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:15:43 GMT Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3Ei7-0007iS-Ns for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:43 +0100 Received: from [82.41.57.20] (helo=snowdrop.home) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G3Ei3-0005Mj-Vy for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip Message-ID: <20060719171538.6e971baf@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060719085732.7ac4ec85@c1358217.kevquinn.com> References: <1153229677.15037.6.camel@onyx> <20060718151541.5decd065@snowdrop.home> <20060718211822.379c65e1@c1358217.kevquinn.com> <20060718214007.6398b27f@snowdrop.home> <20060719085732.7ac4ec85@c1358217.kevquinn.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.8.19; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: fb270efc-93d5-4994-8591-8ba69cd57a68 X-Archives-Hash: 3493598347318c355a33d160519e835b On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" wrote: | Things that package moves cause: | 1) Dependencies throughout the tree have to be updated And? This isn't a breakage. | 2) Current installations become inconsistent with respect to the tree Uh, current installations become 'inconsistent' whenever anyone changes *anything* in the tree. | 3) Binary packages go out-of-date So rebuild them. Binary packages go out of date whenever someone does a version bump too. | 4) Increased sync load Not really significant in comparison to, say, an arch team keywording a new KDE or Gnome stable. | 5) Loss of history, unless the move is performed server-side (i.e. | extra work for infra) History's in the ChangeLog. | The key issue is that categories are semantically inadequate. That's no reason to use them improperly. So again, you've *not* given any reasons to avoid sensible package moves. This happens every time the topic comes up, and then when taken up on it, certain people quickly resort to accusations of trolling rather than providing any genuine evidence that the drawbacks outweigh the benefits... -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list