[gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Lars Weiler]

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Hello,

I would like to remove those packages from portage:

app-cdr/cdrecord-prodvd: Functionality of DVD-burning is now
  officially included in app-cdr/cdrtools.
app-cdr/dvdrtools: Same reason.  No need to use this fork of
  cdrtools-1.11...
virtual/cdrtools: With the remove of dvdrtools there is no
  longer a need for this virtual.
app-cdr/xcdroast: A nice rustical application, which reminds
  me to my first CD-burnings on Linux...  But there was no
  upstream update within 2,5 years.  Also there are now a
  lot of other gtk2-based applications which are bettter
  than xcdrtools.
rox-extra/roxiso: Unmaintained package, but it depends on
  app-cdr/cdrecord-prodvd.  On the other hand, I just
  installed it, and it fails to start due to a missing
  library...  It seems that all rox-packages are
  unmaintained now, as the maintainers resigned or are not
  available.

All packages are in package.mask.  I will remove then in 30
days when there is no good reason to keep them.

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Roy Bamford]

On 2006.07.08 12:09, Lars Weiler wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I would like to remove those packages from portage:
> 
> app-cdr/cdrecord-prodvd: Functionality of DVD-burning is now
>   officially included in app-cdr/cdrtools.
> app-cdr/dvdrtools: Same reason.  No need to use this fork of
>   cdrtools-1.11...
[snip]
> 
> All packages are in package.mask.  I will remove then in 30
> days when there is no good reason to keep them.
> 
> Regards, Lars
> 
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Lars,

app-cdr/dvdrtools provides the format utility to format DVD+RW media  
prior to mkudffs on them. Where has that functionality gone ?

Regards,

Roy Bamford

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Kevin F. Quinn]

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On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:09:29 +0200
Lars Weiler <pylon@gentoo.org> wrote:

> app-cdr/xcdroast: A nice rustical application, which reminds
>   me to my first CD-burnings on Linux...  But there was no
>   upstream update within 2,5 years.  Also there are now a
>   lot of other gtk2-based applications which are bettter
>   than xcdrtools.

If there's nothing actually broken with xcdroast, why remove it?  It
does provide a cd-burning app for those who want something with few
dependencies.  Are there other CD-burning apps that don't depend on qt
or gtk2?gre

hmm; I notice it wants cdrecord-prodvd for dvd writing - will it not
use the newer app-cdr/cdrtools to support DVDs (perhaps with the -n
option to not check the tool version)?  Presumably the newer cdrtools
is backwards-compatible with the cdrecord-prodvd command line options?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Luis Francisco Araujo]

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Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:09:29 +0200
> Lars Weiler <pylon@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> app-cdr/xcdroast: A nice rustical application, which reminds
>>   me to my first CD-burnings on Linux...  But there was no
>>   upstream update within 2,5 years.  Also there are now a
>>   lot of other gtk2-based applications which are bettter
>>   than xcdrtools.
> 
> If there's nothing actually broken with xcdroast, why remove it?  It
> does provide a cd-burning app for those who want something with few
> dependencies.  Are there other CD-burning apps that don't depend on qt
> or gtk2?gre
> 

Just my opinion too. Or what if just preserve it for nostalgic purposes? :-)

/me used it as my first GUI CD-burn application ....


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Luis Medinas]

On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 14:11 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:09:29 +0200
> Lars Weiler <pylon@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > app-cdr/xcdroast: A nice rustical application, which reminds
> >   me to my first CD-burnings on Linux...  But there was no
> >   upstream update within 2,5 years.  Also there are now a
> >   lot of other gtk2-based applications which are bettter
> >   than xcdrtools.
> 
> If there's nothing actually broken with xcdroast, why remove it?  It
> does provide a cd-burning app for those who want something with few
> dependencies.  Are there other CD-burning apps that don't depend on qt
> or gtk2?gre
> 
> hmm; I notice it wants cdrecord-prodvd for dvd writing - will it not
> use the newer app-cdr/cdrtools to support DVDs (perhaps with the -n
> option to not check the tool version)?  Presumably the newer cdrtools
> is backwards-compatible with the cdrecord-prodvd command line options?
> 
I've talked with Lars we will keep xcdroast for a bit. Instead we will
remove simplecdrx that i will mask now. The upstream is dead for years
and there's not need to keep it.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Lars Weiler]

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* Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> [06/07/08 12:46 +0100]:
> app-cdr/dvdrtools provides the format utility to format DVD+RW media prior to 
> mkudffs on them. Where has that functionality gone ?

I can't find any 'format' option to dvdrecord.

But probably you want cdrwtool from sys-fs/udftools?

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Lars Weiler]

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* Luis Medinas <metalgod@gentoo.org> [06/07/08 13:33 +0100]:
> I've talked with Lars we will keep xcdroast for a bit. Instead we will
> remove simplecdrx that i will mask now. The upstream is dead for years
> and there's not need to keep it.

But we keep xcdroast only when you patch it, so that it does
not need cdrecord-prodvd for burning DVDs.  And no, starting
with -n does not work.  Maximum size is 703MB per disk.

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Philip Webb]

060708 Lars Weiler wrote:
> I would like to remove those packages from portage:
> app-cdr/xcdroast: A nice rustical application,
> which reminds me to my first CD-burnings on Linux.
> But there was no upstream update within 2,5 years.
> Also there are now a lot of other gtk2-based applications
> which are bettter than xcdrtools.  All packages are in package.mask.
> I will remove then in 30 days when there is no good reason to keep them.

Please keep Xcdroast in Portage: I use it & it has no bugs AFAIK.
No recent updates ? -- that applies to many packages in Portage.
Better tools ? -- please name them & give reasons.

Thanks as always for your volunteer labor.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Roy Bamford]

On 2006.07.08 13:59, Lars Weiler wrote:
> * Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> [06/07/08 12:46 +0100]:
> > app-cdr/dvdrtools provides the format utility to format DVD+RW media
> prior to
> > mkudffs on them. Where has that functionality gone ?
> 
> I can't find any 'format' option to dvdrecord.
> 
> But probably you want cdrwtool from sys-fs/udftools?
> 
> Regards, Lars
> 

Lars,

My mistake - sorry for wasting your time. app-cdr/dvd+rw-tools provides  
the format command. sys-fs/udftools provides the file system for the  
formatted DVD+RW.

Regards,

Roy Bamford

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Lars Weiler]

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* Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org> [06/07/08 14:57 +0100]:
> My mistake - sorry for wasting your time. app-cdr/dvd+rw-tools provides the 
> format command. sys-fs/udftools provides the file system for the formatted 
> DVD+RW.

No problem.  And we will kepp dvd+rw-tools for sure.

Regards, Lars
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Peter Gordon]

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Philip Webb wrote:
> Please keep Xcdroast in Portage: I use it & it has no bugs AFAIK.
It depends on cdrecord-prodvd, which means that it will have to be 
converted to use the new cdrtools if it's to continue being useful since 
cdrecord-prodvd is being masked (and some time thereafter, removed).

> No recent updates ? -- that applies to many packages in Portage.
Not having recent updates is one thing, but with a dead upstream, there 
is no place to send security patches or bug fixes or add new 
functionality as needed, etc. (Unless of course, someone were to fork 
the current codebase and pick up where they left off.)

> Better tools ? -- please name them & give reasons.
There is K3b (a Qt app), Graveman (a GTK2 app), NeroLinux (GTK+ 1.x, 
non-Free), GnomeBaker (GTK2/GNOME) and probably several others which 
provide the same functionality yet are actively maintained and supported 
with a proper upstream.

My $0.02...
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Philip Webb]

060708 Peter Gordon wrote:
> Philip Webb wrote:
>> Please keep Xcdroast in Portage: I use it & it has no bugs AFAIK.
> It depends on cdrecord-prodvd

Not on my system (which I just eix-synced): I have a working Xcdroast,
but have never had Cdrecord-prodvd; no, I don't have a DVD writer (yet).

>> Better tools ? -- please name them & give reasons.
> There is K3b (a Qt app)

Yes, I could certainly try that.

Let me amend to
"Please keep Xcdroast in Portage till there's an urgent reason to drop it".
The original announcement did look rather arbitrary
& "Hey, this is soo oold, we don't need it anymore" is not a reason.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Peter Gordon]

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Philip Webb wrote:
> Peter Gordon wrote:
>> It depends on cdrecord-prodvd
> Not on my system (which I just eix-synced): I have a working Xcdroast,
> but have never had Cdrecord-prodvd; no, I don't have a DVD writer (yet).

Mea culpa. I didn't realize that it had been changed from this. Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Ryan Tandy]

Luis Medinas wrote:
> I've talked with Lars we will keep xcdroast for a bit. Instead we will
> remove simplecdrx that i will mask now. The upstream is dead for years
> and there's not need to keep it.
> 

Oh, I see - you don't care *what* you remove, you're just itching to 
remove *something*! ;)

(much <3 to all tree-cleaning endeavours of course)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Lars Weiler]

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* Ryan Tandy <tarpman@gmail.com> [06/07/08 15:07 -0700]:
> Oh, I see - you don't care *what* you remove, you're just itching to remove 
> *something*! ;)

Yes.  Because I don't want to maintain that old crap any
more.  If metalgod wants to do it, I'm fine with that ;)

And now let us move on and maintain more recent stuff.
There are a lot of other packages laying around which need a
version-bump...

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Luis Medinas]

On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 00:15 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote:
> * Ryan Tandy <tarpman@gmail.com> [06/07/08 15:07 -0700]:
> > Oh, I see - you don't care *what* you remove, you're just itching to remove 
> > *something*! ;)
> 
> Yes.  Because I don't want to maintain that old crap any
> more.  If metalgod wants to do it, I'm fine with that ;)
> 
> And now let us move on and maintain more recent stuff.
> There are a lot of other packages laying around which need a
> version-bump...
> 
I absolutly understand what Pylon means and he is right!
We don't want to maintain old stuff because it will cause lot's of
problems as you all know. But i still want to keep xcdroast in the tree
for now because it still works. It won't fully work because we will
remove -prodvd but we will try to patch it. Lot's of users still use
this application so my work is keep it for now. In a few months maybe we
will remove it.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for some CD/DVD-recording applications

[Daniel Drake]

Lars Weiler wrote:
> app-cdr/dvdrtools: Same reason.  No need to use this fork of
>   cdrtools-1.11...

This is a lot more more than a "add DVD writing support" fork - they 
have changed much more than that, and they have an interesting list of 
objectives. It's a much saner version of cdrtools.

Please don't remove it unless you have confirmed with upstream that they 
have lost interest and nobody is developing it.

Daniel



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