From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fz6C4-0007TX-FQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 06:21:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k686KccQ018049; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:20:38 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k686IJ5C006783 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:18:20 GMT Received: from gentoo.org (cp237988-a.mill1.nb.home.nl [84.29.235.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29D06465D for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:20:35 +0200 From: Harald van =?utf-8?Q?D=C4=B3k?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Gentoo vs GNU toolchain (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags) Message-ID: <20060708062035.GA3903@gentoo.org> References: <200607061252.33028@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <200607071813.28005.vapier@gentoo.org> <20060707230445.GA3800@gentoo.org> <200607071950.28503.vapier@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200607071950.28503.vapier@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k686KceE018049 X-Archives-Salt: b7f6f8c4-af7a-4bce-85de-d872db5d7a2f X-Archives-Hash: ca1eefafb171a4ec11b5e9ff2e1ee1d7 On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 07:50:27PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 07 July 2006 19:04, Harald van D=C4=B3k wrote: > > I hope this is specific enough: toolchain.eclass revision 1.234 > > (separating ssp/... from vanilla) log message: > > "ssp/pie/htb have their own USE flags sep from vanilla, so people can > > utilize those" > > when in fact the old USE=3Dvanilla behaviour is unavailable now. You = have=20 > > never (as far as I know) answered whether it was intended to keep the > > old behaviour as an option, and if it wasn't, why the log message is > > what it is. >=20 > well i cant answer it if you havent asked it ... me not answering you o= n irc=20 > when i'm not around does not constitute being ignored and anyone who re= lies=20 > on irc in this respect really needs to learn more about irc I also mentioned it in a bugzilla comment, though admittedly not as a question there. (The gcc 2 bug, I think.) Bugzilla comments are safe to assume read, right? > the log message looks pretty clear to me, i dont see this "hidden messa= ge"=20 > you're referring to >=20 > the ssp/pie/htb patches have their own USE flags so separating them fro= m=20 > USE=3Dvanilla makes perfect sense ... I'm not disagreeing with that, but removing an older option is not just providing more choices. > now you can do: > gentoo patches + ssp > gentoo patches + nossp > vanilla + ssp > vanilla + nossp gentoo patches + ssp gentoo patches + stub vanilla + ssp vanilla + stub > whereas before you only had the option of: > gentoo patches + ssp > vanilla + nossp gentoo patches + ssp gentoo patches + stub vanilla > like i said in my previous e-mail, forcing stubs onto people even when=20 > USE=3Dvanilla *is by design* because i got tired of people who had no c= lue=20 > about the consequences throwing USE=3Dvanilla into their USE in make.co= nf and=20 > then complaining when the lack of SSP broke things ... But I'm not asking for USE=3D"vanilla" to disable SSP completely, I'm onl= y asking for USE=3D"vanilla nossp" to disable it. "nossp" is already explicitly documented as "NOT FOR GENERAL USE", too. > this is also the= =20 > reason i havent added USE=3Dvanilla to glibc, too many users would simp= ly break=20 > their boxes No complaints there. :) --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list