[gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[George Shapovalov]

Hi gang

It looks like we got all the coments we could get, so lets get done with it 
then. What's left is minor legwork that is best done by the maintainers of 
the individual herds, here is the approximate list:

Herds:

0. If you feel you did not polish up the idea of a particular herd or category 
enough and you have not created a bug for it (blocking #138049, the tracker) 
I suggest you finally do it - it will become much more apparent then what to 
do..

0.5 Decide on the herd name.

1. Edit gentoo/misc/herds.xml and add the entry for the corresponding herd, 
listing developers who ended up maintaining it.

2. Adjust metatdata.xml files for the packages that should belong to it (the 
ones in the corresponding category are of course prime candidates, but dont 
forget to check sci-libs as well and check if there any others outside that 
you are aware of).

3. Create an alias for this new herd. It is probably best if the alias matches 
the name of the herd - bugwranglers will have no problem assigning the bugs 
then..
The aliases are on dev.g.o under /var/mail/alias (your dev login will allow 
you to access/modify them) and I would encourage the maintainers of these 
herds to create these aliases, so that you have more controll over your mails 
and I do not screw up (and not end up with people asking me for a trivial 
modifications many month aft the reorg :)).

Caterogies:

Looks like right now only sci-crystallography could make sense, as there are 
enough people and packages behind it.

sci-proof - saw some activity but I understand that most of the proposed 
packages are not in the tree yet. May start as a herd and transition to the 
category when enough packages go in..

sci-physics - many packages were listed, so a candidate, but I did not get a 
clear impression of how "finalized" the idea was and how many people finally 
decided to stay behind it.

George
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[Luis Medinas]

On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote:
> sci-physics - many packages were listed, so a candidate, but I did not get a 
> clear impression of how "finalized" the idea was and how many people finally 
> decided to stay behind it.

There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of
sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a
few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty.
Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this sub-herd ?
cryos and markusle are still in ? If not there's a possibility to mentor
a candidate and start this thing for real.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[George Shapovalov]

субота, 1. липень 2006 13:02, Luis Medinas Ви написали:
> On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote:
> > sci-physics - many packages were listed, so a candidate, but I did not
> > get a clear impression of how "finalized" the idea was and how many
> > people finally decided to stay behind it.
>
> There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of
> sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a
> few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty.
> Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this sub-herd ?
> cryos and markusle are still in ? If not there's a possibility to mentor
> a candidate and start this thing for real.
Well, kugelfang has expressed an interest (in a "me too" way) just recently on 
irc. So, what about interested people create a bug (blocking that tracker 
138049) and polish it up there (the packages that should go in that 
category/stay elsewhere, who does what, etc..)? This is exactly why I said I 
did not get a clear idea of what was the conclusion about this category :).

If this bug does not get created then it would mean there is not enough 
interest of course. Another possibility is a herd, with packages staying 
where they are. The procedure can be similar, or whatever discussion medium 
suits interested people the best..

There were suggestions (for the packages and an interested user, although I 
understood that he does not have time or persistent internet connection right 
now) on gentoo-science list. If the bug gets created I can post the relevant 
fragments to it..

George

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Luis Medinas wrote:
> There's a problem with this. A few packages i listed could be part of
> sci-crystallography too. If we start this new category we should had a
> few more related packages otherwise we will have this category empty.
> Another thing is who is really insterested in creating this sub-herd ?
> cryos and markusle are still in ?

I also am a crystallographer, as is one of our new recruits.

Thanks,
Donnie


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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[George Shapovalov]

A short update.

субота, 1. липень 2006 12:29, George Shapovalov Ви написали:
> 3. Create an alias for this new herd. It is probably best if the alias
> matches the name of the herd - bugwranglers will have no problem assigning
> the bugs then..
It looks like one cannot just create an alias, this is from the conversation I 
just had with solar on irc:
[14:58] <solar> georges: yes it requires root cuz we dont want every alias in 
the world to exist.
[14:58] <solar> trust me.. If opened up there would be a metric asston of 
useless aliases.
[14:58] <solar> gimme a reasonable list and I'll add them for you however.
[15:04] <solar> #-infra or file a bug usually works best.

So, you heard the man, file a bug when you are ready for an alias (if you do 
so, please block that #138049) or ask them on #gentoo-infra on irc..

George

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: on herd naming

[George Shapovalov]

The herd naming issue has surfaced in more detail again - there were already 
two comments that it is beneficial to keep -sci in herd names. I originally 
suggested that we drop it (and in general go with a "catchier" names), but 
now it looks like I am slowly turning towards being more conservative 
myself :). That is to keep sci- and possibly resembel category names as much 
as possible. The reasoning: making life easier on bug wranglers and on 
everybody trying to search for the sci-related maintaince info or just to see 
the relationship between different packages.. Any thoughts?

(A comment towards users, as they seemed to react to this issue more then devs 
last time. This is a completely internal stuff that you are not supposed to 
see or care about, unless you are willing to become a developer and maintain 
packages of course ;). This does not concern how the categories are named 
(nothing happens there actually, well, except for a few possible splits)).

Anyway, I'd say it is best for the actual maintainers to decide for every 
herd. However if we have upwards of two herds retaining sci or following 
category naming I think it makes sense for all to keep it all consistent and 
follow..

George
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: on herd naming

[Donnie Berkholz]

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George Shapovalov wrote:
> The herd naming issue has surfaced in more detail again - there were already 
> two comments that it is beneficial to keep -sci in herd names. I originally 
> suggested that we drop it (and in general go with a "catchier" names), but 
> now it looks like I am slowly turning towards being more conservative 
> myself :). That is to keep sci- and possibly resembel category names as much 
> as possible. The reasoning: making life easier on bug wranglers and on 
> everybody trying to search for the sci-related maintaince info or just to see 
> the relationship between different packages.. Any thoughts?

As I said on the bug, I don't really think this makes sense.
metadata.xml will show either 'electronics' or 'sci-electronics',
however you name it. You can use herdstat or many other tools to display
things in many different ways related to package maintainers/herds/etc.
Naming herds after categories doesn't really make sense when there isn't
a 1-to-1 mapping of herds and categories.

Thanks,
Donnie


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: lets get it moving

[Alexandre Buisse]

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On Sat, Jul  1, 2006 at 13:36:10 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote:

> Hi gang
> 
> It looks like we got all the coments we could get, so lets get done with it 
> then. What's left is minor legwork that is best done by the maintainers of 
> the individual herds, here is the approximate list:

math-proof is all done. For now, there is only me in herds.xml, let me
know if someone is interested in joining.
As a sidenote, you need to bribe an infra member to create a new alias,
as /var/mail/alias/misc is only r-x.

 
> Caterogies:
> 
> sci-proof - saw some activity but I understand that most of the proposed 
> packages are not in the tree yet. May start as a herd and transition to the 
> category when enough packages go in..

My ebuild for agda is almost ready (there are still a couple of issues
with emacs site-lisp directory) and there are at least 5 or 6 more that
I would like to add, though creating ebuilds may prove quite difficult.

Regards,
/Alexandre
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