* [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July @ 2006-07-01 7:34 Mike Frysinger 2006-07-01 12:10 ` Stephen Bennett ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-01 7:34 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Keep in mind that every *re*submission to the council for review must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the meeting. Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself. For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-01 7:34 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-01 12:10 ` Stephen Bennett 2006-07-01 17:18 ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP42 for " Mike Frysinger 2006-07-01 17:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer 2006-07-08 14:50 ` [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July Mike Frysinger 2 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Stephen Bennett @ 2006-07-01 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 01 Jul 2006 07:34:49 Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. GLEP 42. Noone on the list raised any objections last time it was sent out, so I'd like to send it off to the Council, so to speak. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP42 for Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-01 12:10 ` Stephen Bennett @ 2006-07-01 17:18 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-01 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Stephen Bennett, dev-portage [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 508 bytes --] On Saturday 01 July 2006 08:10, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On 01 Jul 2006 07:34:49 > > Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > > Gentoo dev list to see. > > GLEP 42. Noone on the list raised any objections last time it was sent > out, so I'd like to send it off to the Council, so to speak. can we make sure we get some peeps from the portage team to show up -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-01 7:34 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July Mike Frysinger 2006-07-01 12:10 ` Stephen Bennett @ 2006-07-01 17:23 ` Stefan Schweizer 2006-07-02 14:10 ` Chris Gianelloni 2006-07-08 14:50 ` [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July Mike Frysinger 2 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Stefan Schweizer @ 2006-07-01 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Hi, Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still lacking. Thanks, Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-01 17:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer @ 2006-07-02 14:10 ` Chris Gianelloni 2006-07-02 19:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer 2006-07-02 19:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Chris Gianelloni @ 2006-07-02 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1185 bytes --] On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 19:23 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Hi, > > Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some > feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still lacking. What exactly is there to "discuss" about this? It is not an official project anymore, so the council really has no bearing on it. I'm guessing you would like for it to become an official project. If I were asked, some of the things I would bring up are: What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? I think you fail to see that for something like Sunrise to prove itself as a viable Gentoo project, it has to actually accomplish some of its stated goals. That being said, if the council wants to discuss it, they're more than welcome to. I just personally feel it wouldn't be time well spent. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-02 14:10 ` Chris Gianelloni @ 2006-07-02 19:02 ` Stefan Schweizer 2006-07-02 19:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Stefan Schweizer @ 2006-07-02 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Chris Gianelloni wrote: > What exactly is there to "discuss" about this? Evaluating our progress with hashing out the details etc. > It is not an official > project anymore, so the council really has no bearing on it. I'm > guessing you would like for it to become an official project. correct. > If I were > asked, some of the things I would bring up are: > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? - We have formed a #gentoo-sunrise channel with an atmosphere of help and friendliness - We are teaching many people how to write ebuilds correctly and how to use repoman to check for QA problems, etc. > What new packages > are now in the tree because of it? For example I have added a fix for ftpd and libvc to the tree. I also bumped media-video/dvd-slideshow. Markus Ullman added net-analyzer/wireshark from a sunrise contributor, drchandra, to portage. > What new developers have been > recruited because of it? Recruiting is a long-term goal. We already have a two people that have done the ebuild quiz, one other is working on it. It is like release work: they will be released as developers when they are ready. I do not want "alpha-developers" on the tree. And no, we will not reveal the release date ;) > What packages that were previously without > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? I mentioned a few packages above where I fixed bugs because of sunrise people, that does not mean they found maintainers, but people care about it and I can commit their fixes if needed. > I think you fail to see that for something like Sunrise to prove itself > as a viable Gentoo project, it has to actually accomplish some of its > stated goals. Looking up the "stated goals" in the cvs log: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/sunrise/index.xml?hideattic=0&view=markup > encourage users to write ebuilds > find new recruits > make maintainer-wanted ebuild access and development easier > work with users on new ebuilds and explain them what they can do better We have only found potential recruits but at least those four have been reached. > That being said, if the council wants to discuss it, they're more than > welcome to. I just personally feel it wouldn't be time well spent. Not discussing is not a solution either. The last userrel-meeting about sunrise was very successfull. If you want we can make another meeting and talk about it together before the council meeting? I would love that, to hear some more about your ideas for the "stated goals" of Sunrise and get issues sorted out without (perceivedly) offensive mails on the developer mailing list. Best regards, Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-02 14:10 ` Chris Gianelloni 2006-07-02 19:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer @ 2006-07-02 19:26 ` Mike Frysinger 2006-07-03 12:06 ` Chris Gianelloni 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-02 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Chris Gianelloni [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 861 bytes --] On Sunday 02 July 2006 10:10, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 19:23 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > > Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some > > feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still > > lacking. > > What exactly is there to "discuss" about this? the answer to this is really quite obvious > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a project for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been given real time yet to actually accomplish them -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-02 19:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 12:06 ` Chris Gianelloni 2006-07-03 12:30 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Chris Gianelloni @ 2006-07-03 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 897 bytes --] On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? > > why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a project > for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been given real time > yet to actually accomplish them Nor was I trying to in any way. Instead, I don't see any point in discussing something that still needs time to mature. The project hasn't been around long enough to accomplish anything, so again, what is there to discuss? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 12:06 ` Chris Gianelloni @ 2006-07-03 12:30 ` Mike Frysinger 2006-07-03 13:50 ` Bryan Ãstergaard 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1155 bytes --] On Monday 03 July 2006 08:06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > > > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > > > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > > > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? > > > > why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a > > project for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been > > given real time yet to actually accomplish them > > Nor was I trying to in any way. Instead, I don't see any point in > discussing something that still needs time to mature. The project > hasn't been around long enough to accomplish anything, so again, what is > there to discuss? the project was suspended because developers were severely unhappy with it the issues are whether said developers feel all of their grievances have been addressed ... so far it would appear so debating whether the project has/is will accomplish things is out of scope/off topic -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 12:30 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 13:50 ` Bryan Ãstergaard 2006-07-03 18:43 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Bryan Ãstergaard @ 2006-07-03 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 08:30:42AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 03 July 2006 08:06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > > > > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > > > > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > > > > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? > > > > > > why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a > > > project for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been > > > given real time yet to actually accomplish them > > > > Nor was I trying to in any way. Instead, I don't see any point in > > discussing something that still needs time to mature. The project > > hasn't been around long enough to accomplish anything, so again, what is > > there to discuss? > > the project was suspended because developers were severely unhappy with it > > the issues are whether said developers feel all of their grievances have been > addressed ... so far it would appear so > > debating whether the project has/is will accomplish things is out of scope/off > topic > -mike No, brix is certainly not happy with a overlay like sunrise in any official capacity. This should be clear from the meeting [1] that was held between sunrise (jokey and genstef), userrel (represented by christel), brix and myself. Instead brix suggested a different solution to the problem, namely a "proxy maintainer" project that everybody seemed to be happy about at the meeting. However, while brix sees the proxy maintainer project as a replacement for the current sunrise project jokey and genstef sees it as a welcome addition. In any case it's not true that everybody is happy with sunrise yet. Regards, Bryan Østergaard 1. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/39764 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 13:50 ` Bryan Ãstergaard @ 2006-07-03 18:43 ` Mike Frysinger 2006-07-03 18:47 ` Henrik Brix Andersen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Bryan Ãstergaard, brix [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 351 bytes --] On Monday 03 July 2006 09:50, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote: > No, brix is certainly not happy with a overlay like sunrise in any > official capacity. then he needs to voice his concerns we've had a few threads calling for people to list their problems so they can be addressed and i dont recall anyone piping up that hasnt been addressed -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 18:43 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 18:47 ` Henrik Brix Andersen 2006-07-03 19:04 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Henrik Brix Andersen @ 2006-07-03 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 657 bytes --] On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 02:43:32PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 03 July 2006 09:50, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote: > > No, brix is certainly not happy with a overlay like sunrise in any > > official capacity. > > then he needs to voice his concerns > > we've had a few threads calling for people to list their problems so they can > be addressed and i dont recall anyone piping up that hasnt been addressed I have no problem with Project Sunrise being an unofficial project, which is why I haven't responded to those mails. Regards, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <brix@gentoo.org> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 211 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 18:47 ` Henrik Brix Andersen @ 2006-07-03 19:04 ` Mike Frysinger 2006-07-03 19:41 ` Henrik Brix Andersen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Henrik Brix Andersen [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 308 bytes --] On Monday 03 July 2006 14:47, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > I have no problem with Project Sunrise being an unofficial project, > which is why I haven't responded to those mails. the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 19:04 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 19:41 ` Henrik Brix Andersen 2006-07-03 19:51 ` Mike Frysinger 2006-07-08 14:50 ` [gentoo-dev] open Sunrise concerns Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Henrik Brix Andersen @ 2006-07-03 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 673 bytes --] On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:04:55PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns > to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo Really? According to who? We only just had the userrel + sunrise meeting where the people behind Project Sunrise said they would continue the project as an unofficial project. Even if they have changed their minds about this, I think it is too early to re-evaluate the project for inclusion. Regards, Brix PS: There is no need to CC: me on replies. Please use reply-to-list. -- Henrik Brix Andersen <brix@gentoo.org> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 211 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 19:41 ` Henrik Brix Andersen @ 2006-07-03 19:51 ` Mike Frysinger 2006-07-03 23:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer 2006-07-08 14:50 ` [gentoo-dev] open Sunrise concerns Mike Frysinger 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 740 bytes --] On Monday 03 July 2006 15:41, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:04:55PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns > > to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo > > Really? According to who? presumably the Sunrise guys considering they started the thread > We only just had the userrel + sunrise meeting where the people behind > Project Sunrise said they would continue the project as an unofficial > project. Stefan would have to comment on this then > Even if they have changed their minds about this, I think it is too > early to re-evaluate the project for inclusion. maybe, but ignoring constant requests for feedback isnt helping anyone -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-03 19:51 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-03 23:08 ` Stefan Schweizer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Stefan Schweizer @ 2006-07-03 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 03 July 2006 15:41, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:04:55PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns >> > to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo >> >> Really? According to who? > > presumably the Sunrise guys considering they started the thread > Yeah, this is right. Sunrise is meant to be Gentoo. >> We only just had the userrel + sunrise meeting where the people behind >> Project Sunrise said they would continue the project as an unofficial >> project. > > Stefan would have to comment on this then > Yeah, we got frequent problems with offical/unofficial/suspended or not so much suspended. Consequently to sort out this issue we came to the conclusion to make it fully unofficial in the meeting. It works this way but it is not how I wish Sunrise to operate. It needs to have approval and that is why we discuss Sunrise and improve it constantly. >> Even if they have changed their minds about this, I think it is too >> early to re-evaluate the project for inclusion. > > maybe, but ignoring constant requests for feedback isnt helping anyone > -mike Agreed, and waiting does not help Sunrise either. Best regards, Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] open Sunrise concerns 2006-07-03 19:41 ` Henrik Brix Andersen 2006-07-03 19:51 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-08 14:50 ` Mike Frysinger 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-08 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 335 bytes --] On Monday 03 July 2006 15:41, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > Even if they have changed their minds about this, I think it is too > early to re-evaluate the project for inclusion. so are you going to offer up some of your complaints so they can be addressed ? the sunrise guys have pretty clearly stated their intentions -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2006-07-01 7:34 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July Mike Frysinger 2006-07-01 12:10 ` Stephen Bennett 2006-07-01 17:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer @ 2006-07-08 14:50 ` Mike Frysinger 2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2006-07-08 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 320 bytes --] On Saturday 01 July 2006 03:34, Mike Frysinger wrote: > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the > 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ > irc.freenode.net) ! we're pushing this to the 3rd due to it being a better time for some of us (blame me :P) -mike [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 827 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July @ 2008-07-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger 2008-07-01 12:21 ` Ferris McCormick ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2008-07-01 5:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the meeting. Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself. For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger @ 2008-07-01 12:21 ` Ferris McCormick 2008-07-03 18:22 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Ferris McCormick @ 2008-07-01 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: council [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1199 bytes --] On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 05:30 +0000, Mike Frysinger wrote: > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically > the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel > (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. > This is delicate. I have asked for two items on the agenda for the next meeting, but so far they are on mail aliases only. I can post them here, and I want them public. Please advise. > Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review > must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) > before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days > before the meeting. Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be > notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself. > > For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ Regards, Ferris -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@gentoo.org> Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger 2008-07-01 12:21 ` Ferris McCormick @ 2008-07-03 18:22 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis @ 2008-07-03 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw To: Gentoo Development [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 538 bytes --] 2008-07-01 07:30:01 Mike Frysinger napisał(a): > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically > the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel > (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. Please vote on my proposition of default LDFLAGS if they aren't introduced until Council meeting. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger 2008-07-01 12:21 ` Ferris McCormick 2008-07-03 18:22 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis @ 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-09 11:07 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis ` (3 more replies) 2 siblings, 4 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-09 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 520 bytes --] On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com [-- Attachment #1.2: 20080710-agenda.txt --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 4776 bytes --] People who need to take action ============================== Non-council members who need to do something. araujo [Document of being an active developer] vapier [Slacker arches] antarus [as-needed by default] cardoe [GLEP 56] fmccor [Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement] Updates to last month's topics ============================== http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080612-summary.txt Document of being an active developer ------------------------------------- Requested attendees: araujo Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 4+ hours before the meeting. Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. Slacker arches -------------- Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 4+ hours before the meeting. (Mike, is this ever going to happen?) Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their workflow on-list 4+ hours before the meeting. Any volunteers? Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion expected. New topics ========== Appeals of spb, rbrown, & philantrop ------------------------------------ Preparation: Reach decisions. Goal: Announce decisions no later than July 10 via personal emails and on-list to avoid disrupting the meeting. Meeting frequency & time ------------------------ Do we want biweekly meetings that last one hour each? Here are the time slots we found using whenisgood.net: 2000-2100 UTC Thursday 1600-1800 UTC Sunday (conflicts: flameeyes, jokey) Preparation: Respond to the ongoing thread regarding your opinion on biweekly meetings. Goal: Vote on time & frequency on the council alias no later than July 10. as-needed by default -------------------- antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default LDFLAGS. Preparation: Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote on it on -council as soon as it solidifies. (Alec, please do this by July 17.) Goal: Status check with antarus. GLEP 54 ------- Preparation: Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to our nominees" 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml lu_zero: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17. GLEP 55 ------- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list once we're ready. GLEP 56 ------- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata" 4+ hours before the meeting. (Cardoe: Did the requested updates ever get made?) Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17, if requested changes are made. User Relations authority ------------------------ Ferris asks: Does userrel have the authority to enforce the Code of Conduct on users in the same way devrel does for developers? Preparation: Donnie will start a thread on the -council list. Post your opinion there. If everyone's posted in advance of the meeting, status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Goal: Reach a decision on-list no later than July 17. Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement ------------------------------------- Ferris asks: Can people be entirely banned from Gentoo (mailing lists, IRC channels, etc.)? Who can do it, how's it work, under whose authority? Are there any prerequisites? He cites the corner case of refusal to accept a security patch. Ferris, I couldn't make enough sense out of your long email to council@ to summarize any more of it reasonably, sorry. Please send a response to this that succinctly clarifies any part of your agenda proposals that I got wrong. Preparation: Clarification from Ferris. After that, Donnie will start a thread on the -council list. Post your opinion there. Goal: Reach a decision on-list no later than July 17. 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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-09 11:07 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2008-07-09 16:31 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-09 13:09 ` Ferris McCormick ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis @ 2008-07-09 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev 2008-07-09 10:40 Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> napisał(a): > On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: >> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even >> vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole >> Gentoo dev list to see. > > Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's > unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an > agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. You forgot about voting on adding some flags to default LDFLAGS. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57163/focus=57193 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57092/focus=57169 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-09 11:07 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis @ 2008-07-09 16:31 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-09 16:52 ` Doug Goldstein 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-09 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 593 bytes --] On 13:07 Wed 09 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > You forgot about voting on adding some flags to default LDFLAGS. > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57163/focus=57193 > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57092/focus=57169 There was no real debate about that (the only question was where), and Cardoe said this morning that he was just going to commit it. If people had any problems, they would've posted them to the thread. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-09 16:31 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-09 16:52 ` Doug Goldstein 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Doug Goldstein @ 2008-07-09 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 13:07 Wed 09 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > >> You forgot about voting on adding some flags to default LDFLAGS. >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57163/focus=57193 >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/57092/focus=57169 >> > > There was no real debate about that (the only question was where), and > Cardoe said this morning that he was just going to commit it. If people > had any problems, they would've posted them to the thread. > > Yep. I actually gave everyone a little bit longer to protest. It seemed like everyone was in favor of this move but no one made the commit. It now exists in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults. I created a tracker for any issues that crop up. [1] [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231310 -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-09 11:07 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis @ 2008-07-09 13:09 ` Ferris McCormick 2008-07-10 6:05 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-13 7:30 ` Donnie Berkholz 3 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Ferris McCormick @ 2008-07-09 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4241 bytes --] On Wed, 2008-07-09 at 01:40 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > > Gentoo dev list to see. > > Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's > unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an > agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. I'll try to clarify my second agenda item on an absolute ban. Also I might edit my private request to make it pure vanilla and send it out, too, so that people may cross check my summary if they wish. If people want that, please respond saying so. 1. Your summary in the agenda is a fair reading of my request. However, I don't think it's realistic to expect a decision within a week because I think instituting a policy and procedure allowing a complete ban forever from Gentoo requires at the least a change to the Code of Conduct and a review cycle for that. 2. I can't spell out exactly what people are thinking of when discussing absolute bans, because I get the sense that different people have different ideas about just what we would mean by that. So I think the first step is for someone who advocates such a procedure needs to spell out exactly what it would be and why we would do it and under whose authority, etc. As probably everyone knows, I am absolutely opposed to any such thing, so I am not the person to do this. 3. So, I don't think we can reach a decision on anything until we are all clear on what we are deciding on. 4. Here's what I think is meant by a complete ban. *These are only my own inferences from reading between the lines and trying to put different comments together in some coherent fashion.* Under some rather unclear conditions, some combination of devrel/userrel/trustees/infra could decide to impose a complete, permanent ban on a member (user or, I suppose developer) of our community. This would have the following effects: a. The person could post to no gentoo mailing list; b. The person could not post to gentoo bugzilla; c. The person could not participate in #gentoo- IRC channels (although this runs into conflict with individual channel policy); d. The person could not contribute to gentoo (hence my corner case of a security fix) except perhaps through a proxy; e. (Perhaps any upstream projects in which the person banned would be notified of the ban??? --- I'm not sure). Right now, I don't know anymore if what I just described is what is being proposed or not. 5. I am told that nothing is forever, and that if whatever problems triggered such a ban were corrected, the ban might be lifted. I note, however, that since the banned person could not participate in Gentoo things, as a practical matter we'd never know if anything was corrected or not. (Except through 3rd parties.) 6. Presumably, all of this would be done in secret and whoever is being hit by such a ban would have no opportunity to respond before the ban's imposition. I suppose there would be a right to appeal to council, assuming council took no part in deciding on the ban. 7. [Argument] I view this as a pretty major change in how Gentoo operates. So someone needs to clarify my inferences in paragraph 4, and then we should think very carefully about it before allowing for any such practice. 8. [Argument] I note that we are likely to institute some form of possible moderation for the gentoo-dev mailing list (presumably based on Code of Conduct violations), and if we do that, it effectively satisfies the intent of any absolute ban, but is not nearly so traumatic to the system. I note that this is a minority view among those who have discussed this. Donnie, I don't know if that clarifies anything or just makes things more confusing. It's the best I can come up with. Regards, Ferris -- Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@gentoo.org> Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-09 11:07 ` Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis 2008-07-09 13:09 ` Ferris McCormick @ 2008-07-10 6:05 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-10 7:08 ` Alec Warner 2008-07-10 18:30 ` Doug Goldstein 2008-07-13 7:30 ` Donnie Berkholz 3 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-10 6:05 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 822 bytes --] On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > > Gentoo dev list to see. > > Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's > unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an > agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. Here are the items that will actually come up during the meeting instead of the overall list of ongoing things including list discussions. Council members: Remember to post to the GLEP threads if you have anything new to say. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com [-- Attachment #1.2: 20080710-agenda-mini.txt --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 1519 bytes --] as-needed by default -------------------- antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default LDFLAGS. Preparation: Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote on it on -council as soon as it solidifies. (Alec, please do this by July 17.) Goal: Status check with antarus. GLEP 54 ------- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to our nominees" 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml lu_zero: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17. GLEP 55 ------- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 4+ hours before the meeting. Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list once we're ready. GLEP 56 ------- Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag descriptions in metadata" 4+ hours before the meeting. (Cardoe: Did the requested updates ever get made?) Last month: dberkholz: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9.xml Goal: Status check at meeting to see who's ready to vote. Vote on-list no later than July 17, if requested changes are made. [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-10 6:05 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-10 7:08 ` Alec Warner 2008-07-10 18:30 ` Doug Goldstein 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Alec Warner @ 2008-07-10 7:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: >> > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even >> > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole >> > Gentoo dev list to see. >> >> Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's >> unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an >> agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. > > Here are the items that will actually come up during the meeting instead > of the overall list of ongoing things including list discussions. Drop me; I haven't written anything for --as-needed. -Alec > > Council members: Remember to post to the GLEP threads if you have > anything new to say. > > -- > Thanks, > Donnie > > Donnie Berkholz > Developer, Gentoo Linux > Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com > -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-10 6:05 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-07-10 7:08 ` Alec Warner @ 2008-07-10 18:30 ` Doug Goldstein 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Doug Goldstein @ 2008-07-10 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >> On 05:30 Tue 01 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even >>> vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole >>> Gentoo dev list to see. >>> >> Here's the proposed agenda. Please respond if I forgot something, it's >> unclear, or you have another suggestion. As before, since we have an >> agenda in advance we won't be holding an open floor. >> > > Here are the items that will actually come up during the meeting instead > of the overall list of ongoing things including list discussions. > > Council members: Remember to post to the GLEP threads if you have > anything new to say. > > [GLEP56] I've committed the changes that I made as a result of the feedback received. You can see the diff [1] or view the full source [2] or see the pretty HTML [3]. Quick highlight of changes: - All PMS references are gone - restrict purely refers to the Gentoo Developer Handbook - CP/CPV refers to the Gentoo Developer Manual - Added backwards compatibility section to detail how we're going to maintain compatible. - No reference to default language, leaving that to the Gentoo Developer Handbook [1] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.txt?r1=1.1&r2=1.2 [2] http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.txt?rev=1.2&view=markup [3] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0056.html -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2008-07-09 8:40 ` Donnie Berkholz ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2008-07-10 6:05 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-13 7:30 ` Donnie Berkholz 3 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-07-13 7:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 735 bytes --] Here are quick updates on the topics we didn't discuss in detail during the council meeting. On 01:40 Wed 09 Jul , Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Appeals of spb, rbrown, & philantrop We are actively discussing the appeals and will get decisions out ASAP. > Meeting frequency & time We're moving to shorter biweekly meetings. The next one will be July 24. > User Relations authority Discussion is happening on gentoo-council. > Extent of Code of Conduct enforcement I will post this to gentoo-council tomorrow. I haven't had a chance yet to put together a useful summary post for starting the thread. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July @ 2009-07-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger 2009-07-02 0:27 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2009-07-01 5:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. Keep in mind that every GLEP *re*submission to the council for review must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the meeting. Simply put, the gentoo-dev mailing list must be notified at least 14 days before the meeting itself. For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2009-07-01 5:30 Mike Frysinger @ 2009-07-02 0:27 ` Mike Frysinger 2009-07-02 15:02 ` Tobias Scherbaum 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2009-07-02 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 445 bytes --] here's an item that should be relatively quick to address: fix the typo in GLEP 39 where this line is missing (it's been in the council homepage forever): Only Gentoo developers may be nominated note that previous councils already decided that they are allowed to modify GLEP 39 in place with the normal council voting procedure and if they notify the mailing lists with exact changes (see 20070208 summary for an example). -mike [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2009-07-02 0:27 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2009-07-02 15:02 ` Tobias Scherbaum 2009-07-02 15:59 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Tobias Scherbaum @ 2009-07-02 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev Mike Frysinger wrote: > here's an item that should be relatively quick to address: fix the typo in > GLEP 39 where this line is missing (it's been in the council homepage > forever): > Only Gentoo developers may be nominated I'd like to add that requirement for proxies as well. Varied interpretations of common sense seems to make that necessary. - Tobias ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July 2009-07-02 15:02 ` Tobias Scherbaum @ 2009-07-02 15:59 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2009-07-02 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1067 bytes --] On Thursday 02 July 2009 11:02:45 Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > here's an item that should be relatively quick to address: fix the typo > > in GLEP 39 where this line is missing (it's been in the council homepage > > forever): > > Only Gentoo developers may be nominated > > I'd like to add that requirement for proxies as well. Varied > interpretations of common sense seems to make that necessary. i'd keep them as sep topics as the first should go through quickly without discussion. the latter i'm not terribly sold on -- the understanding is that a council member should have the good sense to only pick an appropriate proxy. the definition of "appropriate" is of course up for grabs. ignoring the tools, there is the possibility of bringing non-devs further into the Gentoo fold (assuming the proxy is well versed in the topics at hand and not just "another body") ... then again, looking at the 4 year history, this has never happened, so it's doubtful it will happen. guess the proposal is fine. -mike [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
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