[gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[George Shapovalov]

First, thanks to everybody who responded! (not that tehre were many ;)).
Interestingly, the most positive result so far seems to be two people 
expressing interest to join :), so we need at least one more mentor I'd say..

I'll start by refreshing general changes that were proposed:

1. Make Scientific Gentoo a top-level and create subprojects
 -  this did not seem to get any complaints. So, when we are done with the 
mainpart I'll try to update the page, like move it to a proper location, redo 
the blurb and provide links to subprojects. Then I'll ask corresponding teams 
to produce some descriptions for the corresponding subprojects (its the 
same .xml essentially, just change the description paraagraph). But lets 
first get done with the reorg itself..

2. Create smaller, topical herds to split 316 packages we have under sci right 
now.
 -  Looks like most people assumed a natural herding of packages by categories 
(of course sci-libs should not be a separate herd, packages under it should 
fall under whatever makes sense), so lets try to start by creating a layout 
that follows. Here are the categories, as they stand now:

aldar portage # for fn in sci-*; do echo "$fn:  $(ls -1 $fn|wc -l)"; done
sci-astronomy:  11
sci-biology:  58
sci-calculators:  26
sci-chemistry:  50
sci-electronics:  34
sci-geosciences:  8
sci-libs:  62
sci-mathematics:  34
sci-misc:  19
sci-visualization:  20

Further is based on a quick glance at ChangeLog's (since I did not get much 
responce from actual mainatiners ;), so I may have missed somebody/listed 
somebody extra. Please check and comment accordingly)

sci-astronomy: 11 
an Ok size I'd say, devs:
morfic, phosphan, zx, ribosome, aliz, corsair, mr_bones_

sci-biology:  58
rather large, may be worth splitting more, no particular suggestions yet 
though, devs:
ribosome, blubb, corsair, j4rg0n, mcummings, sediener, pbienst, apokorny, 
hansmi?, phosphan, lostlogic?

sci-calculators:  26
split off math at some point IIRC (or was that a discussion that it should be 
separate and it started like that from the inception?). size: Ok,  devs:
centic?, cryos, ribosome, spyderous?, many people who appear one or twice..

sci-chemistry:  50
may be worth splitting up as well. One suggestion is to make a category for 
sci-crystallography. I seem to have persuaded  Jan Marten Simons to at least 
try :). If he indeed is willing to take on this subject it may be well worth 
creating this category, or at least herd..
devs:
spyderous, markusle?, phosphan, marcus, hannes, ribosome?, kugelfang, 
agriffis, hansmi?


sci-electronics:  34
Ok size,  devs:
calchan, chrb?, agriffis?, phosphan, ribosome, blubb?, plasmaroo, hansmi, 
cryos?, gustavoz?


sci-geosciences:  8
good size (for maintainers :)), devs:
ribosome, spyderous, cryos, nerdboy, mholzer?

sci-mathematics:  34
Ok size. There were calls to split it into symbolic and numeric, also -proof 
was suggested (but I understand the packages for that one are not in the tree 
yet). 3-tier categories might be nice here :) (as in sci-math-symbolic, 
sci-math-numeric..).  devs:
plasmaroo, agriffis?, mattam, cryos, ribosome?, markusle, spock, phosphan

sci-misc:  19
Size is Ok, but, if we follow the idea, should probably stay under sci (herd)
devs:
cryos, hansmi?, phosphan, ribosome, kugelfang?, pbienst, blubb? 

sci-visualization:  20
Ok size, may be combined with -calculators? or -math? (herding, if it makes 
sense, category should stay), devs:
markusle, phosphan, ribosome, cryos, kugelfang, latexer?, j4rg0n?, corsair?, 
spyderous


Furthere, 
sci-cad was suggested and it looks like there may be a critical mass of > 5 
packages, but more planning is necessary on this one..

There was a suggestion for sci-phonetics or sci-linguistics. There is a dev 
(translator's team, so he will need to be mentored for the "generic 
development") who is willing to take on those, however I first need to see 
how many packages would be there. If anything it will be good to have him as 
a part of the team, even if this does not qualify for a full category (but 
still should be good for herd I guess..)

There were talks about creating sci-physics category, however I cannot find 
traces of that atm (or was it on irc?). If there really are apps for 
sci-physics it can start combined with sci-astronomy (or not, need a list of 
packages..)

Any comments on the structure? Also, while sci-xxx is a "natural" name for the 
category (considering our present layout) it is somewhat cumbersome for the 
herd. I guess sci- part may be dropped, then, should the rest stay spelled 
out or people would prefere shortcuts, like math for mathematics, etc?

George
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[Simon Stelling]

George Shapovalov wrote:
> sci-biology:  58
> rather large, may be worth splitting more, no particular suggestions yet 
> though, devs:
> ribosome, blubb, corsair, j4rg0n, mcummings, sediener, pbienst, apokorny, 
> hansmi?, phosphan, lostlogic?

i'm not maintaining anything, just keywording it for amd64. wouldn't it be
easier to only list people that are in the sci herd?

> sci-misc:  19
> Size is Ok, but, if we follow the idea, should probably stay under sci (herd)
> devs:
> cryos, hansmi?, phosphan, ribosome, kugelfang?, pbienst, blubb? 

same here

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[George Shapovalov]

Hi Simon

Thanks for the clarification!

неділя, 25. червень 2006 22:17, Simon Stelling Ви написали:
> i'm not maintaining anything, just keywording it for amd64. wouldn't it be
> easier to only list people that are in the sci herd?
No, because there are people who are not on sci herd but who maintain some of 
the packages. One of the purposes of this reorg is to split the whole set of 
packages into smaller groups, so that they (the maintainers) are not afraid 
to join :). So, sorry abot false positives, but they are unavoidable at this 
stage - please just comment on your involvement - whether you shoild not be 
in any of the lists or if I omitted you.
Thanks!

George

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[Alexandre Buisse]

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On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 14:26:16 +0200, George Shapovalov wrote:

> sci-mathematics:  34
> Ok size. There were calls to split it into symbolic and numeric, also -proof 
> was suggested (but I understand the packages for that one are not in the tree 
> yet). 3-tier categories might be nice here :) (as in sci-math-symbolic, 
> sci-math-numeric..).  devs:
> plasmaroo, agriffis?, mattam, cryos, ribosome?, markusle, spock, phosphan

Sign me up for sci-proof (even if it is only a subset of
sci-mathematics). As far as I know, there is only coq, but I am working
on adding agda, and we'll see from there...

Regards,
/Alexandre
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[George Shapovalov]

I have created a tracker bug, so that we can finally start organizing activity 
and may see something done :).
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138049

This is a tracker bug, to keep things in perspective. For every herd/category 
where there is interest/activity please create a new bug, if one does not yet 
exist and post proposed packages (if they are not under corresponding 
category) and check whether your involvment status is right (i.e. post me to 
or removal note). This will simplify tracking of what we will have to do 
significantly..

George
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-science] Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[Marcus D. Hanwell]

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On Sunday 25 June 2006 19:46, George Shapovalov wrote:
> First, thanks to everybody who responded! (not that tehre were many ;)).
> Interestingly, the most positive result so far seems to be two people
> expressing interest to join :), so we need at least one more mentor I'd
> say..

Sorry about not responding until now - really busy in real life. I am 
currently in the thesis write up and job hunting stage of my PhD with three 
months of funding left - so my Gentoo time may well be fairly limited during 
the next few months. I will do what I can as and when though.
>
> I'll start by refreshing general changes that were proposed:
>
> 1. Make Scientific Gentoo a top-level and create subprojects
>  -  this did not seem to get any complaints. So, when we are done with the
> mainpart I'll try to update the page, like move it to a proper location,
> redo the blurb and provide links to subprojects. Then I'll ask
> corresponding teams to produce some descriptions for the corresponding
> subprojects (its the same .xml essentially, just change the description
> paraagraph). But lets first get done with the reorg itself..

This sounds good to me. I think this will certainly be a positive move for the 
work done with scientific applications in Gentoo.
>
> 2. Create smaller, topical herds to split 316 packages we have under sci
> right now.
>  -  Looks like most people assumed a natural herding of packages by
> categories (of course sci-libs should not be a separate herd, packages
> under it should fall under whatever makes sense), so lets try to start by
> creating a layout that follows. Here are the categories, as they stand now:
>
> Further is based on a quick glance at ChangeLog's (since I did not get much
> responce from actual mainatiners ;), so I may have missed somebody/listed
> somebody extra. Please check and comment accordingly)

Commented in your tracker bug on my involvement - all sounds quite reasonable 
to me. Although I would hate to dilute down too much and end up with one 
developer herds as they are not very productive in general.
>
> There were talks about creating sci-physics category, however I cannot find
> traces of that atm (or was it on irc?). If there really are apps for
> sci-physics it can start combined with sci-astronomy (or not, need a list
> of packages..)

I would go either way - crystallography and structural packages are also quite 
physicsy depending upon your perspective...
>
> Any comments on the structure? Also, while sci-xxx is a "natural" name for
> the category (considering our present layout) it is somewhat cumbersome for
> the herd. I guess sci- part may be dropped, then, should the rest stay
> spelled out or people would prefere shortcuts, like math for mathematics,
> etc?

I would personally favour dropping the sci- and going for shortened names such 
as maths/math, geo. If there is a great deal of opposition I don't think it 
matters too much though.

Back to work anyway... I am usually around on IRC too if anyone wants to chat 
about this stuff. It is a manic week this week though, so may be not so much.

Thanks,

Marcus

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[Duncan]

"Marcus D. Hanwell" <cryos@gentoo.org> posted
200606261952.46515.cryos@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on  Mon, 26 Jun 2006
19:52:43 +0100:

> I would personally favour dropping the sci- and going for shortened
> names such as maths/math, geo.

At least for geo, I've seen discussion/complaints that it isn't
sufficiently clear. Geology?  Geometry?  A four-letter geol/geom/whatever
would clear that up.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Scientific Gentoo reorg: the proposal

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Monday 26 June 2006 21:44, Duncan wrote:
>  A four-letter geol/geom/whatever
> would clear that up.
What about geomancy ?

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