From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Foytj-0003EX-9E for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:32:47 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5A8UsU6008900; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:30:54 GMT Received: from mbox.unige.ch (mbox.unige.ch [129.194.9.209]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5A8RQQh021769 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:27:26 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mbox.unige.ch by mbox.unige.ch (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.03 (built Jun 27 2005)) id <0J0M00801XV3PW00@mbox.unige.ch> (original mail from george@gentoo.org) for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:27:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from aldar ([85.218.19.247]) by mbox.unige.ch (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.03 (built Jun 27 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J0M00ID5Y5NJS20@mbox.unige.ch> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:27:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:27:25 +0200 From: George Shapovalov X-Face: 4Rd)1/:bMGRby_[I4NY3u,g|=7e?V_VX?tkj,_ct-U4B#_-EEu_/wyvCWFsvDa<=?utf-8?q?D/=3A8bHX=0A=09y?=)m@s7@Ow=\_f^T>}LP_Rk2%phL7r5%sxXze`X/A_:8tz&|"*2^="=?utf-8?q?=5CZFo3=26+=27UGNhVu=23=5Dg=0A=09=5B?=<<~4glvaJa'ZEXW_#@LWa,OhxVN"r|/1P:`IL8=rciHKGxevczUO{X!r%,a Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item In-reply-to: <1149906516.4234.91.camel@gaspode> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <200606101027.26418.george@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Linux Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-disposition: inline References: <1149906516.4234.91.camel@gaspode> X-Comment: This message was scanned against viruses by mbox.unige.ch. User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k5A8RQQh021769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k5A8UsVq008900 X-Archives-Salt: 38cdc565-1778-41e8-9a76-fb29ff1b4d5a X-Archives-Hash: f2f21c2d260cb466ce366cb6b76d3307 =D1=81=D1=83=D0=B1=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B0, 10. =D1=87=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B2=D0=B5=D0= =BD=D1=8C 2006 04:28, Christel Dahlskjaer =D0=92=D0=B8 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF= =D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8: > I would like to ask that the Council discuss the current state and > future of the GWN at their next meeting. Hah? What has concil to do with this? Is it going to mandate "GWN be bett= er"=20 and it magically turns into some other thing? Why do you think there is=20 malicious intent here at all? [skipping the listing] All these problems can be explained very simply - a lack of manpower. As = I=20 understand, GWN now is a one-man endeavour and Ulrich was pointing this o= ut=20 himself and literally yelling for help! Many many times! Over approx last= 6=20 month or so.. Do we want a more reliable and representative GWN? Of course! How we can get there? Well, stand up and help! Involving council is not g= oing=20 to do anything besides starting yet another pointless burocratic endeavor= .=20 Well, I suspect it won't do even that - I am pretty sure council is going= to=20 just throw out this "claim" even if you officially start it. They can of=20 course mandate some more action, but what would be the point? If there ar= e no=20 people willing to stand up, then who will listen to it? So, to conclude this thing. The only way GWN is going to improve, is if s= ome=20 more people will "join the ranks" and start writing/editing GWN entries. = I'd=20 say a team of 3 people is usually sufficient, but we need more like 7 so = that=20 three are "available" for more than a first month :) (this is based on my= =20 experience with organazing Russian transation team in its early days), pl= us a=20 steady stream of at least one new dev joining/two month, to compensate fo= r=20 people droppig out. This should also have an effect of draft GWN publishe= d at=20 least a day in advance, instead of a few hours, so that the rest of us wi= ll=20 be able (and will ;)) take a look at it and make corrections.. George=20 --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list