From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FgjxI-0002dM-Bn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:58:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4IEujLb014573; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:56:45 GMT Received: from callisto.cs.kun.nl (callisto.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.75]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4IEp0Vg031149 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:51:00 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by callisto.cs.kun.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F0A6F0014 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:51:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:50:59 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060516161549.442b4d8a@localhost> <200605181526.06635.pauldv@gentoo.org> <20060518145808.14d20da7@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20060518145808.14d20da7@localhost> X-Face: #Lb+'V@sGJ;ptgo5}V"W+5OCoo{LZv;bh,s,`WKLi/J)ed1_$0;6X<=?utf-8?q?700LVV/=3BLqPhiDP=5E=0A=09=27f=5Dfnv?=@%6M8\'HR1t=aFx;ePfp{ZQoBe+e)JOQ8T5*(_;mHY+cltLGq<;@$Y,=?utf-8?q?O=5C=24=0A=09Tm=23G6M?=,g![Q62J{na*S9d;R[^8pc%u\aiLqU@`kJtYl"^6pxdW Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart15309623.Gc4Hr1K2xZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200605181651.00131.pauldv@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 35e13d1b-8b95-4d27-b625-1c577c94a23c X-Archives-Hash: 78fcd29ccd4f8001073558c763a32ba4 --nextPart15309623.Gc4Hr1K2xZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 18 May 2006 15:58, Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Thu, 18 May 2006 15:26:06 +0200 > > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > Then copy the bloody profile, or temporarilly add some magic in > > paludis that ignores portage and python deps. Not that hard to do. > > While not so beautiful it can easilly be removed at a later stage. > > And if something really does require python? > > > How far does that spread? Is this only for packages merged by > > paludis, or does it spread? And what reasons are there for paludis > > not to have a vdb format that will not confuse portage. > > A VDB entry created by Paludis can't be read by Portage. A VDB entry > created by Portage can. This is not a reason. It is just repeating what I just said. Which=20 features does paludis have for its VDB format. And (per feature) why=20 can't this be done in a compatible way. > > > It is very important that package managers coexist with portage. This > > allows testing of that package manager, but also the testing of a > > package / eclass on different package managers. It would be > > irrealistic to require devs to have a different installation just for > > testing packages with paludis/pkgcore. > > Who's requiring devs to test anything? If I am to be a responsible package manager I have to test my package=20 before I commit it into the repository. At a point where paludis has a=20 status different from totally unsupported, this includes testing it with=20 paludis next to testing it with portage. Besides this, to make an informed decision about granting paludis some=20 more than totally unsupported status it is necessary to first test=20 paludis. I, and I think many other devs with me, am reluctant to create a=20 whole new tree to test out paludis. I also do not want to copy my whole=20 tree to test it. > > > So you are asking to go towards replacing portage with a package > > manager that is not under gentoo control? > > Nowhere are we asking for anything to replace Portage as the primary > Gentoo package manager. What do you want then? Paludis does not aim to be compatible with portage,= =20 so this disqualifies paludis as a secondary package manager. Two primary=20 package managers is nonsensical. You ask for support in the tree for=20 paludis, meaning that you don't want to be unsupported third party=20 either. This leaves that you aim at paludis possibly becomming a portage=20 replacement. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net --nextPart15309623.Gc4Hr1K2xZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEbInUbKx5DBjWFdsRAhzCAJ4hvY0HTMvN8vX5wvk82r8Zxn7rKgCglzO7 cGD47NYAEZ8wsLS/3Mar9Xc= =Xocd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart15309623.Gc4Hr1K2xZ-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list