Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

[Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org>]

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On Thursday 18 May 2006 16:02, Stephen Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2006 15:31:29 +0200
>
> Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > I know you would do that. My problem is not with how it is done. But
> > what is done. The problem is not about portage choking. The problem
> > is that at this point there is no reason to make paludis specific
> > changes to the tree.
>
> Changes are made to profiles all the time for the benefit of a package
> in the tree. How is this different?

Paludis is not just a package, it is an alternative package manager. The 
proposed changes are also not just the setting of a default for a 
useflag. What you are requesting is adding a different version of gentoo.

A package manager should not mean a different version at all. Whether I 
install subversion with portage or with paludis should not make any 
difference in the installed result.

> It would not be bound to a profile in any way. It can read and use any
> profile that Portage can. The new profile(s) would be purely for the
> convenience of those who want to use it and don't want Portage
> installed.

I already stated that I would find a no-portage profile discussable. This 
profile would then mean that portage, pkg-core, and paludis would be able 
to handle it. 

I am not sure though whether having a portage virtual would not be enough. 
As portage depends on python, it would be worthwhile to research whether 
removing python from the default package list works. In that case it is 
possible to remove the explicit portage dependency from the tree.

>
> > It would also mean that every package manager would have its own
> > profiles. A needless duplication that gets you nowhere.
>
> And how is this any different from having seperate subprofiles for NPTL
> or no-NPTL, for 2.4 or 2.6 kernels, or different compiler versions?

Those profiles are not tied to the package manager. A package manager does 
not change anything to the installed system (except its own metadata). 
All these other profiles do.

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Paul de Vrieze
Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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