From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fgfop-0002aA-Ak for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:33:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4IAWGEm006444; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:32:16 GMT Received: from callisto.cs.kun.nl (callisto.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.75]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4IARaXP025749 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:27:36 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by callisto.cs.kun.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE93C2E800D for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:27:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:27:34 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060516161549.442b4d8a@localhost> <446BABA7.3080603@gentoo.org> <20060517232345.GA48034@zeus.kimaker.com> In-Reply-To: <20060517232345.GA48034@zeus.kimaker.com> X-Face: #Lb+'V@sGJ;ptgo5}V"W+5OCoo{LZv;bh,s,`WKLi/J)ed1_$0;6X<=?utf-8?q?700LVV/=3BLqPhiDP=5E=0A=09=27f=5Dfnv?=@%6M8\'HR1t=aFx;ePfp{ZQoBe+e)JOQ8T5*(_;mHY+cltLGq<;@$Y,=?utf-8?q?O=5C=24=0A=09Tm=23G6M?=,g![Q62J{na*S9d;R[^8pc%u\aiLqU@`kJtYl"^6pxdW Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2194179.4RL6mUTl93"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200605181227.35314.pauldv@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: c8f49685-4656-44ee-a4fa-c3ba4daba9c4 X-Archives-Hash: 1c41a19b0a39adcedbc1a0cfd51cf120 --nextPart2194179.4RL6mUTl93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 18 May 2006 01:23, Ryan Phillips wrote: > Mike Auty said: > > Forgive me, > > I'm a little new at this and I really don't want to get involved, > > but since my inbox has seen nothing but this for the past day or two, > > I'm going to ask a few questions I'm interested in the answers to... > > First and foremost is, will adding this to the tree be used for > > function creep, whereby the next request to add to/alter the portage > > tree is backed up by "Well, the profile change was already added to > > the tree"? I wouldn't want a precedent like this set without the > > council reviewing it. > > I really don't see much of an issue of feature creep. Gentoo/ALT > already has a profile. It isn't like there are changes to the actual > ebuilds themselves. This is my main point. I believe that adding the profile now will lead to=20 function creep. Given the stated direction of paludis to be INCOMPATTIBLE=20 with portage, this will eventually lead to either replacing portage or=20 forcing portage into directions that gentoo does not wish to go. > > > Thirdly has anything like this ever happened to Debian or the > > Sourcery group? If so how did they cope with it, and if not, how > > have they avoided it? > > SMGL has voting and things get done. Wrong answer. It does not answer the question. SOURCERY!=3DSMGL > > > As you may have guessed I'm of the, "You can do the same thing with > > an overlay, so why must it be in the tree". I am however willing to > > wait and see what the council says, why can't the changes to the tree > > wait until then, what is so urgent? I'm especially intrigued since > > all this is simply to no longer require portage as a dependency of > > system. Can't paludis peacefully co-exist with a portage > > installation for a little longer, until it's mature? > > The question is when is it mature? I've tried it and Paludis does > work. There will always be bugs and feature requests. Its part of > the development process. It is mature when I can install it in my gentoo system. Try it out on some= =20 ebuilds. Check whether my ebuild is compatible with paludis and portage=20 (in the same system), and not break my system horibly. If only=20 undocumented tricks will allow this this means that paludis is not yet=20 mature. Yes, any package manager that claims to work with ebuilds is only mature=20 when it cooperates in a portage environment. This means that either you=20 cooperate with portage, or you get the portage developers to introduce=20 the things you need into a stable portage. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net --nextPart2194179.4RL6mUTl93 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEbEwXbKx5DBjWFdsRAgN7AJwKMO5VJ2Tew4M+9JC3PtavvREQ1ACfez7z KTv36L5RViWHyzkbWLPES4o= =Blw+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2194179.4RL6mUTl93-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list