On Thursday 18 May 2006 01:23, Ryan Phillips wrote:
> Mike Auty <ikelos@gentoo.org> said:
> > Forgive me,
> > 	I'm a little new at this and I really don't want to get involved,
> > but since my inbox has seen nothing but this for the past day or two,
> > I'm going to ask a few questions I'm interested in the answers to...
> > First and foremost is, will adding this to the tree be used for
> > function creep, whereby the next request to add to/alter the portage
> > tree is backed up by "Well, the profile change was already added to
> > the tree"?  I wouldn't want a precedent like this set without the
> > council reviewing it.
>
> I really don't see much of an issue of feature creep.  Gentoo/ALT
> already has a profile.  It isn't like there are changes to the actual
> ebuilds themselves.

This is my main point. I believe that adding the profile now will lead to 
function creep. Given the stated direction of paludis to be INCOMPATTIBLE 
with portage, this will eventually lead to either replacing portage or 
forcing portage into directions that gentoo does not wish to go.

>
> > 	Thirdly has anything like this ever happened to Debian or the
> > Sourcery group?  If so how did they cope with it, and if not, how
> > have they avoided it?
>
> SMGL has voting and things get done.

Wrong answer. It does not answer the question. SOURCERY!=SMGL

>
> > 	As you may have guessed I'm of the, "You can do the same thing with
> > an overlay, so why must it be in the tree".  I am however willing to
> > wait and see what the council says, why can't the changes to the tree
> > wait until then, what is so urgent?  I'm especially intrigued since
> > all this is simply to no longer require portage as a dependency of
> > system.  Can't paludis peacefully co-exist with a portage
> > installation for a little longer, until it's mature?
>
> The question is when is it mature?  I've tried it and Paludis does
> work.  There will always be bugs and feature requests.  Its part of
> the development process.

It is mature when I can install it in my gentoo system. Try it out on some 
ebuilds. Check whether my ebuild is compatible with paludis and portage 
(in the same system), and not break my system horibly. If only 
undocumented tricks will allow this this means that paludis is not yet 
mature.

Yes, any package manager that claims to work with ebuilds is only mature 
when it cooperates in a portage environment. This means that either you 
cooperate with portage, or you get the portage developers to introduce 
the things you need into a stable portage.

Paul

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