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From: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:15:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605181215.07468.pauldv@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060517223010.00351219@localhost>

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On Wednesday 17 May 2006 23:30, Stephen Bennett wrote:
> Once again, this is going far beyond the scope of the initial
> discussion. I'm not saying that Paludis should replace Portage, nor
> that it should be an "officially supported package manager". The
> question is simply one of whether I can add a top-level paludis profile
> without people complaining overmuch, or whether I have to go through
> the arch teams and make sub-profiles in 4 different places under
> default-linux/.

Neither option. Making 4 subprofiles is even worse than one toplevel 
profile. The point is however that for a portage replacement there should 
not be any profile changes needed (Or do you think that when pkgcore 
comes about we should have current*3 profiles, just to support each 
package manager?)

Requiring a specific profile change just for a package manager is bad 
design.

Next to this technical argument, adding anything for paludis sends the 
wrong message:
- It says paludis is usable in gentoo. Which it isn't.
- It says that paludis will be at some point supported by gentoo. Which
  decision has not been made yet and can not be made yet as paludis is not
  ready yet.
- It says that other changes to specifically accomodate paludis will be
  made at later points.
- It says that paludis is currently useable. It however is not. An
  installed system can not be converted to or from paludis. Paludis is not
  tested nor testable (requires conversion abilities). Paludis does not
  provide compatibility with current portage, therefore disqualifying
  itself as candidate for portage replacement.

Paul

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Paul de Vrieze
Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-18 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 273+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-16 15:15 [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 12:19 ` Thomas Cort
2006-06-13 17:13   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 16:16 ` Brian Harring
2006-05-16 16:47   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 17:07     ` Alec Warner
2006-06-13 17:34       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 16:28         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-17 16:56           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 18:29             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-17 19:39             ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-16 17:33     ` [gentoo-dev] " Brian Harring
2006-05-16 18:07       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 18:23         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-05-16 19:54           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 19:55         ` Brian Harring
2006-05-16 20:50           ` Ciaran McCreesh
     [not found]             ` <20060516225638.GB29839@nightcrawler>
2006-05-17  0:04               ` Brian Harring
2006-05-17 14:12               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 16:10               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-16 16:55   ` [gentoo-dev] " Mark Loeser
2006-05-16 17:06     ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 17:20       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 17:35         ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 19:51           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 20:09             ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 20:52               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 21:03                 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 21:21                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-06-13 18:27           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 18:53             ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 19:35               ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-05-16 19:50                 ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 20:13                   ` Jan Kundrát
2006-05-16 20:41                     ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 21:05                       ` Luis Francisco Araujo
2006-05-16 21:00                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-06-13 20:30                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 20:59                     ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-16 21:47                       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17  9:42                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 13:42                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 14:08                           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 15:29                             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 16:25                               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 19:42                                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-28  3:54                             ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
2006-05-16 17:08     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-06-13 17:28   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 17:39     ` Brian Harring
2006-06-13 18:29       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 17:10 ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-16 17:35   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17  5:03     ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-17 13:46       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 17:38   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-05-16 17:53   ` Grant Goodyear
2006-06-13 17:30   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17  5:16     ` Christian Hartmann
2006-06-13 17:32   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 17:43 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-05-16 18:35 ` Gustavo Zacarias
2006-05-16 19:05   ` Danny van Dyk
2006-05-16 20:49     ` Chris Gianelloni
     [not found]     ` <20060516231453.171002b9@epia.jeroenr-c2.orkz.net>
2006-05-16 22:22       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-16 23:58         ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-17 13:50           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 14:21             ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-17 15:00               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 14:25             ` George Prowse
2006-05-17 14:46               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 14:57                 ` George Prowse
2006-05-17 15:19                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 16:37                     ` George Prowse
2006-05-17 16:54                       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 13:58         ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 14:17           ` Patrick McLean
2006-05-17 14:24             ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-17 15:47             ` Kevin F. Quinn
2006-05-17 15:53             ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 15:57             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-17 16:16               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 14:25           ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17  5:19   ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-17  7:30     ` Matthijs van der Vleuten
2006-05-17  7:39       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-05-17 14:50       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 15:39       ` Mark Loeser
2006-05-16 18:51 ` Robin H. Johnson
2006-05-16 19:10 ` Daniel Drake
2006-05-16 19:57   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 20:56     ` Daniel Drake
2006-05-16 20:54       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-16 21:17         ` Simon Stelling
2006-05-16 19:16 ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17  9:23   ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17  9:42     ` Roy Marples
2006-05-17 11:02       ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17 12:02     ` Thomas Cort
2006-05-17 16:17       ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-17 16:32     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 18:11       ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17 18:34         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:16           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17 20:13         ` Christian Birchinger
2006-05-17 20:53           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17 21:17             ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 21:42               ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-17 21:34             ` Christian Birchinger
2006-05-18 14:29               ` Patrick McLean
2006-05-18 14:54               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 16:11                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 17:14                   ` Wernfried Haas
2006-05-18 18:02                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 18:20                       ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-18 18:34                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 18:51                           ` Brian Harring
2006-05-18 19:04                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 19:30                               ` Brian Harring
2006-05-18 18:43                         ` Roy Marples
2006-05-18 19:35                           ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-18 20:15                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-19 13:54                               ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-19 14:17                                 ` Roy Marples
2006-05-19 14:52                                   ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-19 15:09                                     ` Roy Marples
2006-05-18 20:37                             ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-19  7:25                               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-19  7:35                                 ` Roy Marples
2006-05-19  7:33                             ` Roy Marples
2006-05-19 13:55                               ` Carsten Lohrke
2006-05-18 18:55                         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-05-18 18:22                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 18:18                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 18:33                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 19:41                       ` Brian Harring
2006-05-18 20:19                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 20:39                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 20:58                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 21:10                               ` Brian Harring
     [not found]                       ` <200605182219.23040.pauldv@gentoo.org>
2006-05-18 20:24                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 20:39                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 21:17                             ` Alec Warner
2006-05-18 23:33                               ` Mike Auty
2006-05-18 21:00                           ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-17 18:27       ` Brian Harring
2006-05-16 22:09 ` Marius Mauch
     [not found]   ` <200605170115.33956.kugelfang@gentoo.org>
2006-05-17 10:04     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 13:57       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 15:11         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 15:26           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 15:48             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 16:05               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:13                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 15:54             ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-17 16:19               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 18:41                 ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-17 19:13                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 17:27               ` Christian Birchinger
2006-05-17 18:21             ` Brian Harring
2006-05-17 15:55           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-05-17 19:17             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 19:44               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18  9:39                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 18:13         ` [gentoo-dev] " Brian Harring
2006-05-17 18:26           ` Benjamin Judas
2006-05-17 18:44           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:06             ` Brian Harring
2006-05-17 19:50               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 20:43                 ` Brian Harring
2006-05-17 21:21                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:22             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 19:49               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18  9:52                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 16:13                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 14:57       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 15:09         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 16:05           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 16:29             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 18:12               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 18:50                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:30                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 19:55                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 20:55                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 21:24                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:48                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 16:26                     ` Thomas Cort
2006-05-17 20:34                       ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2006-05-17 21:05                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 17:38                         ` Thomas Cort
2006-05-18 10:07                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 21:27                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 20:13                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 21:00                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 21:30                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 10:03                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 16:15                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 20:12                   ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-05-17 20:22                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 20:39                       ` Tim Yamin
2006-05-17 20:49                         ` Andrew Gaffney
2006-05-17 20:56                           ` Tim Yamin
2006-05-17 21:30                             ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 21:32                               ` Tim Yamin
2006-05-17 21:47                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 23:07                               ` Mike Auty
2006-05-18 10:15                               ` Paul de Vrieze [this message]
2006-05-18 16:19                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 17:47                                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 18:03                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 18:33                                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 18:42                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 20:27                                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 20:43                                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-19  7:35                                               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 20:53                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 21:01                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 21:31                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 19:34                           ` Josh Saddler
2006-05-18 20:21                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17  0:42 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17  2:12   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-05-17 10:14   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 10:52     ` Simon Stelling
2006-05-17 11:11     ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 11:40       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 12:24         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 15:13           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 15:21             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 15:37               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 15:59                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 19:31                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 15:30             ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 15:39               ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 16:39                 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 19:36                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-17 14:01         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 18:07       ` Brian Harring
2006-05-17 13:59     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 11:12   ` Christian Birchinger
2006-05-17 14:06   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-17 14:51     ` Harald van Dijk
2006-05-17 15:02     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-17 22:26 ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-17 22:35   ` Mark Loeser
2006-05-17 23:03   ` Mike Auty
2006-05-17 23:23     ` Ryan Phillips
2006-05-18  4:34       ` Christian Hartmann
2006-05-18  7:19         ` Jochen Maes
2006-05-18 12:11           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18 13:26             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 13:58               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18 14:50                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 15:44                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18 17:55                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 18:05                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 18:13                       ` Grant Goodyear
2006-05-18 18:34                         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-05-18 16:26               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 18:00                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 16:23           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 16:44             ` Grant Goodyear
2006-05-18 16:56               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-05-18 18:22               ` Marius Mauch
2006-05-18  7:21         ` Jochen Maes
2006-05-18 10:27       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 10:18   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 12:14     ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18 13:31       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 14:02         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18 14:30           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-18 15:12             ` Stephen Bennett
2006-05-18 11:22 ` Roy Bamford

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