From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FgfUb-0005Aa-0J for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:12:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4IA9mnP029820; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:09:48 GMT Received: from callisto.cs.kun.nl (callisto.cs.kun.nl [131.174.33.75]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4IA3Obd011838 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 10:03:24 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by callisto.cs.kun.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A792E800D for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:03:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:03:23 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060516161549.442b4d8a@localhost> <1147899610.16876.81.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060517223006.5ff63a1a@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060517223006.5ff63a1a@snowdrop.home> X-Face: #Lb+'V@sGJ;ptgo5}V"W+5OCoo{LZv;bh,s,`WKLi/J)ed1_$0;6X<=?utf-8?q?700LVV/=3BLqPhiDP=5E=0A=09=27f=5Dfnv?=@%6M8\'HR1t=aFx;ePfp{ZQoBe+e)JOQ8T5*(_;mHY+cltLGq<;@$Y,=?utf-8?q?O=5C=24=0A=09Tm=23G6M?=,g![Q62J{na*S9d;R[^8pc%u\aiLqU@`kJtYl"^6pxdW Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2394994.q2KPxFDACB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200605181203.23445.pauldv@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: c653caf8-5f1f-4a2f-8e31-67a72ce3b391 X-Archives-Hash: 2c2afbc42c8d963724fcf29c2fc22291 --nextPart2394994.q2KPxFDACB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 17 May 2006 23:30, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 2006 17:00:10 -0400 Chris Gianelloni > > wrote: > | Paludis does not conform to the Release Engineering guidelines. It > | is *incapable* of producing a Gentoo release. The authors have > | expressed their intentions to *never* perform any actions necessary > | to work towards making Paludis capable of producing a Gentoo release. > > And what has producing a releng-style Gentoo release got to do with > using Paludis as a package manager? That's like saying ZSH shouldn't be > included in the tree until it can be used in place of bash. There is only one case in which paludis should be supported by the tree.=20 This is when paludis works towards being usable as a portage replacement.=20 If the paludis authors do not aim at replacing portage, I suggest them to=20 start their own distribution or (fork / derived distro). When paludis aims to be a viable replacement for portage, it must follow=20 the requirements that hold for such a replacement. This means that at=20 some point it must be possible to replace portage by paludis in a=20 compatible way for all uses, including release engineering. If=20 alternative ways to achieve the same better are provided that is also ok.=20 A release is something to achieve, not some means to achieve something=20 else. If paludis never wants to replace portage, but wants to be a secondary=20 package manager it should not accept ebuilds that portage does not.=20 Otherwise it would put itself in the position of a primary package=20 manager, while not being capable to do so. Also a secondary package=20 manager must work with the portage package database (VDB) in such a way=20 that portage can always be used on the system where paludis has been=20 used. > You mean the *gentoo-x86* tree, right? The only reason some people call > it the 'Portage' tree is that there's not previously been a need to > call it something else. The tree. Whose cvs incarnation has been called gentoo-x86 for historical=20 reasons. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net --nextPart2394994.q2KPxFDACB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEbEZrbKx5DBjWFdsRAs1bAKDhtelDteINbfQ5+9tNq+CcXahogQCfYqcQ CoF3L/tWC1q4ojY3MiW4BqU= =gjWd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2394994.q2KPxFDACB-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list