On Wednesday 17 May 2006 23:30, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 17:00:10 -0400 Chris Gianelloni
>
> <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> | Paludis does not conform to the Release Engineering guidelines.  It
> | is *incapable* of producing a Gentoo release.  The authors have
> | expressed their intentions to *never* perform any actions necessary
> | to work towards making Paludis capable of producing a Gentoo release.
>
> And what has producing a releng-style Gentoo release got to do with
> using Paludis as a package manager? That's like saying ZSH shouldn't be
> included in the tree until it can be used in place of bash.

There is only one case in which paludis should be supported by the tree. 
This is when paludis works towards being usable as a portage replacement. 
If the paludis authors do not aim at replacing portage, I suggest them to 
start their own distribution or (fork / derived distro).

When paludis aims to be a viable replacement for portage, it must follow 
the requirements that hold for such a replacement. This means that at 
some point it must be possible to replace portage by paludis in a 
compatible way for all uses, including release engineering. If 
alternative ways to achieve the same better are provided that is also ok. 
A release is something to achieve, not some means to achieve something 
else.

If paludis never wants to replace portage, but wants to be a secondary 
package manager it should not accept ebuilds that portage does not. 
Otherwise it would put itself in the position of a primary package 
manager, while not being capable to do so. Also a secondary package 
manager must work with the portage package database (VDB) in such a way 
that portage can always be used on the system where paludis has been 
used.

> You mean the *gentoo-x86* tree, right? The only reason some people call
> it the 'Portage' tree is that there's not previously been a need to
> call it something else.

The tree. Whose cvs incarnation has been called gentoo-x86 for historical 
reasons.

Paul

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