From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Fg3oc-0003Sk-JH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:58:39 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GHr4aO012898; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:53:04 GMT Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GHa495018210 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:36:04 GMT Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg3Sm-0002oa-9q for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:36:04 +0100 Received: from [213.121.151.206] (helo=snowdrop.home) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg3Sl-00021d-Rl for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:36:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:35:39 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles Message-ID: <20060516183539.728117ca@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <200605161910.18919.ian@gentoo.org> References: <20060516161549.442b4d8a@localhost> <200605161910.18919.ian@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.1.1 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: b169ae61-c731-46b5-9f9a-fa045f8d6fae X-Archives-Hash: 949d8c2bc381120633baed5577793829 On Tue, 16 May 2006 19:10:18 +0200 Christian Hartmann wrote: | Oh lovely. - If noone has any strong reasonable objections, I'd like | to add a $ians-playground profile to the tree. Furthermore I will | start to keywording ebuilds with the new ~fridge keyword I just | invented. Why yes, because we're asking for people to go around changing all their ebuilds. Oh, wait! We're not! That argument is right up there with saying that the Pope should be removed from office because he personally murdered five million French soldiers in World War II. Please try to come up with something sliiightly more plausible than that when you're trying to attack something based upon your personal prejudices. Or is that really the best criticism you can find? | > The next question is where to put it. The options as I see them are | > under default-linux/x86/ or in a top-level paludis/ a la hardened, | > selinux, embedded, and the like. | | How is paludis related to gentoo? Hardened and the other things you | mentioned are gentoo projects. - Paludis is not. Phony argument. Paludis is a package that's in the tree, and profile changes are regularly made for packages that are in the tree. | It's not about the size or the number of files. We have got enough - | let's call it $stuff - in the tree. I'd really like to see valid and | reasonable things added to the tree. - Adding things just because | someone thinks it would be funny to add it to the tree can't be the | way gentoo wants to go. If you care about the size of the tree, why not start by nuking a few dozen broken and unmaintained x11-* packages? They're not hard to find, and unlike Paludis they aren't useful to anyone. | Looking at the comment left for end-users on the paludis homepage [1] | I'm still wondering why paludis is not package.mask'ed as it's known | to break users systems. Unfortunately, that warning has to be there to protect Paludis from rampaging hordes of forums users and the like who otherwise would do something very very dumb. Paludis is less likely to break your system than reiserfs. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail : ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list