From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FbnJh-00068a-B4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 23:33:05 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44NW8BH024808; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:32:08 GMT Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NTtdZ004547 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:29:55 GMT Received: from pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.8]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IYR0006DL9UTMB0@l-daemon> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 17:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.145]) by pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IYR00LQCL9UILF0@pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 17:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.24.147] ([70.68.148.199]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IYR000DNL9TNP10@l-daemon> for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 17:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:29:56 -0700 From: Michael Kirkland Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable? In-reply-to: <8a0028260605040521y768be337w63e3f4689b7500f2@mail.gmail.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <200605041629.56633.mpkirkland@shaw.ca> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <8a0028260605040521y768be337w63e3f4689b7500f2@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-Archives-Salt: 0b361e9f-489a-4b85-8077-786cc1da1682 X-Archives-Hash: bba39f3d9eb9fffdc80816c4397c6d76 On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:21, Jeff Rollin wrote: > All, > > If I might weigh in at this late stage: > > How did we end up here in the first place? Isn't the point of ~arch that we > can put stuff here that might WELL be unstable? Sure, we'll get lots of "I > set my ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to ~arch and now my system is broken," messages, but > if people are going to try ~arch, or Gentoo in general, despite warnings > that it's "not for newbies" (and I have personal experience of this), we > can't really stop them without turning the community into a fascist state, > can we? Gentoo (like all projects) has a finite amount of developers, and > if we spend to much time on ~arch then surely arch will suffer > > Just my 0.2 cents (sic) > > Jeff. I think the problem is that Gentoo is falling into the same sandtrap the Debian project has been mired in forever. "arch" and "~arch" are polarizing into "stable, but horribly out of date", and "maybe it will work". This leads to people trying to maintain a frankenstinian /etc/portage/package.keywords file, constantly adding to it and never knowing when things can be removed from it. I would suggest opening a middle ground tag, where things can be moved to from "~arch" when they work for reasonable configuration values, but still have open bugs for some people. That way, people who prefer stability over the latest features can run "arch", and everyone who bitches about packages being out of date can run the middle tag, and "~arch" can be kept for testing. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list