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From: Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, Ryan Phillips <rphillips@gentoo.org>,
	Alin Nastac <mrness@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:39:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605021440.07069.pauldv@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060428192025.GA18298@dst.grantgoodyear.org>

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On Friday 28 April 2006 21:20, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Ryan Phillips wrote: [Fri Apr 28 2006, 01:57:30PM CDT]
>
> > I disagree.  The developers should make *all* the decisions.
>
> Originally, Gentoo was effectively a meritocracy.  It's now, in some
> respects, a republic.  If you want a democracy, feel free to draft a
> new "metastructure" proposal (feel free to name it something less
> awkward), and drum up support to get it voted upon.
>
> > Bypass the council.  The council should be there only for when we get
> > sued, and manage the money we make.
>
> For what it's worth, the Council does neither of those things.  That's
> what the Gentoo Foundation is for.
>
> > Does anyone agree that having a council is too political?  I strongly
> > believe it stifles gentoo.
>
> Do you have some specific examples of how you've seen the Council
> stifle Gentoo, or is it mainly just a general impression?
>

I generally agree with you. I've not seen the council stifle anything 
(except that it perhaps could have encouraged more). Any stifling is more 
because the large amount of inertia caused by the big amount of 
developers.

As for abolishing the quiz, I'm strongly opposed to that. The quiz is a 
hurdle that is there for a reason. Partly it shows determination. It also 
filters out those people who don't know when they don't know something. 
We have developer documentation for a reason. The quiz ensures that 
everyone knows that we have it.

Paul

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Paul de Vrieze
Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-02 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-28 17:14 [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 17:52 ` Jon Portnoy
2006-04-28 18:22   ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 18:34     ` Chris White
2006-04-28 18:50       ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 19:03         ` Chris White
2006-04-28 19:35           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-04-28 19:48             ` Bryan Østergaard
2006-04-28 18:41     ` Alin Nastac
2006-04-28 18:57       ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 19:13         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-28 19:19         ` Tim Yamin
2006-04-28 19:20         ` Grant Goodyear
2006-05-02 12:39           ` Paul de Vrieze [this message]
2006-04-28 19:42     ` Bryan Østergaard
2006-04-28 17:50       ` Thomas Cort
2006-04-28 22:01         ` Daniel Goller
2006-04-29 13:54           ` Bryan Østergaard
2006-04-28 19:56     ` Thierry Carrez
2006-04-28 17:54 ` Alec Warner
2006-04-28 18:38   ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 18:55 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-04-28 19:08   ` Grant Goodyear
2006-04-28 19:24   ` Tim Yamin
2006-04-28 19:41     ` Alin Nastac
2006-04-28 20:24     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-28 20:36       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-28 20:42       ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 20:45         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-28 21:05         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-28 21:20           ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 21:36             ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-28 21:49               ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 22:06                 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-28 22:15                   ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 22:19         ` Daniel Goller
2006-04-29 12:02         ` Dan Armak
2006-04-29 12:21           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-29 12:54             ` Dan Armak
2006-04-29 13:06               ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-30 20:41               ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2006-04-30  1:26       ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexandre Buisse
2006-04-30  0:00         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-30  3:17           ` Greg KH
2006-04-30  7:50         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-30 16:32           ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2006-05-01 12:23             ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-05-01 16:02               ` Stuart Herbert
2006-05-01 16:28                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-30 12:12         ` Luca Barbato
2006-04-30 15:16           ` Alec Warner
2006-04-28 20:35   ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 20:43     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-28 21:06       ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 21:41         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-28 21:56           ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 22:10             ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-04-28 22:29               ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-28 20:57     ` Grant Goodyear
2006-04-28 21:32       ` Marius Mauch
2006-04-28 22:46         ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 22:36 ` Simon Stelling
2006-04-28 23:14   ` Ryan Phillips
2006-04-28 23:25     ` Chris White
2006-04-28 23:55       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-04-29  9:39     ` Jan Kundrát
2006-04-29 17:52       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-05-02 13:37         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-04-29  1:05   ` Daniel Goller
2006-04-29 14:54     ` Bryan Østergaard
2006-04-29  1:19 ` Christel Dahlskjaer
2006-04-29 11:58 ` Dan Armak
2006-04-29 13:41 ` Daniel Goller
2006-04-29 14:23   ` Jon Portnoy
2006-04-29 14:38     ` Daniel Goller
2006-04-29 15:21       ` Jon Portnoy
2006-04-29 21:33 ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union + suggestion for global dev conference (at bottom, if you want to skip) Stuart Herbert
2006-04-29 23:57   ` Tim Yamin
2006-04-30  1:55   ` Lance Albertson
2006-04-30  2:37     ` Renat Lumpau
2006-05-03  9:43     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-05-03 13:44       ` Christel Dahlskjaer
2006-04-30  4:50   ` Ryan Phillips
     [not found] <62b0912f0605021406s49a16eaapd596426ce2226a7c@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-04  9:04 ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union Molle Bestefich
2006-05-04 10:44   ` Stuart Herbert
2006-05-04  8:55     ` Thomas Cort
2006-05-04 11:57     ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-05-04 12:17       ` Stuart Herbert
2006-05-04 13:30         ` Paul de Vrieze

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