From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FRrMj-0008IZ-Ut for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:51:10 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k37DmpeN026736; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:48:51 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k37DhbTh012503 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:43:37 GMT Received: from [213.121.151.206] (helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1FRrFQ-0002Vl-Tp for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:43:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FRrFN-0005UU-3f for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:43:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:43:28 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving Gentoo User Relations Message-ID: <20060407144328.14c49c80@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <1144419575.20252.24.camel@gaspode> References: <1144377010.5485.82.camel@gaspode> <9445dc2b0604070151t68e184fdo3601938bb52d0871@mail.gmail.com> <20060407100728.1a5a01d0@snowdrop.home> <1144419575.20252.24.camel@gaspode> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.8.13; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_XbEjzoPc/Pn8ZwLrit1=CtM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: cf46c758-a1c2-40d6-a8b2-d910e53138cb X-Archives-Hash: 03e70f3e8b7fd8fe5c1c5bbbbaa06a0d --Sig_XbEjzoPc/Pn8ZwLrit1=CtM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:19:35 +0100 Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: | So, from a developer pov Ciaran; if we could come up with some way of | keeping up to date with what you guys do (without eating up any of | your time or getting in your way) and then keep the masses informed, | would that be more attractive? Obviously making sure that information | is kept to a not exactly bare minimum, but presented in such a way | that it doesn't in any way halt progress or potential change of | direction?=20 If it's information on things that are fine being public but aren't simply because of lack of time to write them up, then that would be great. If it's things that're being kept quiet purposefully, however, then the last thing we want is to start telling people things. | > Hence why some of us don't announce non-trivial projects on public | > mailing lists, and instead keep any discussion on -core and sekrit | > IRC channels. That's how what's now known as eselect was developed, | > and it turned out far nicer than the XML-laden aborted gentoo-config | > project precisely because of the lack of end user 'input'. |=20 | In more of a informative 'these are the exciting things we're doing' | sort of way rather than a 'tell us why you disagree' sort of way | maybe. See, that doesn't work. There's this strange notion that because we're open source, users somehow have a right to a) see the code, b) make suggestions, c) demand new features, d) get support and e) annoy other developers or upstream when they break something that has a knock-on effect of breaking an unrelated package. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Sig_XbEjzoPc/Pn8ZwLrit1=CtM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFENmyE96zL6DUtXhERAnQ+AJ0dA53gKoBlz+Qg3MIjp7YfM/z/qQCghRyr n57oj+RtFh1wvN3ts3b6p3g= =SSI0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_XbEjzoPc/Pn8ZwLrit1=CtM-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list