From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FRmyP-0006uI-3A for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:09:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k3799ZKH026687; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:09:35 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k3797b3I019764 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:07:38 GMT Received: from [213.121.151.206] (helo=snowdrop.home) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1FRmwL-0004oo-7o for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:07:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=snowdrop.home) by snowdrop.home with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FRmwH-0007VL-Gb for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:07:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:07:28 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving Gentoo User Relations Message-ID: <20060407100728.1a5a01d0@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <9445dc2b0604070151t68e184fdo3601938bb52d0871@mail.gmail.com> References: <1144377010.5485.82.camel@gaspode> <9445dc2b0604070151t68e184fdo3601938bb52d0871@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.8.13; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_2AA+xPNvi.N7fW6rzRUQVw/"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 8beedaed-28c3-4b05-978c-191e817dde66 X-Archives-Hash: 2cf4ea7c95d6626227bcb0e49d31e136 --Sig_2AA+xPNvi.N7fW6rzRUQVw/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0100 "Christopher O'Neill" wrote: | Ideally, what I'd like is for the various dev teams to compile a | weekly status report, which could then be compiled into the weekly | newsletter (which currently seems to be lacking much useful | information). It would be great if we (the users) could find out | what's going on behind the scenes of our favourite distribution. The problem with this is... Once someone says "we're working on $x", they're continuously pestered about it by users asking when it will be ready. Given how few of us are paid to work specific hours on Gentoo things, it's very easy for provisional release dates to be missed -- and when half of a developer's time is spent responding to questions about where $x is and why an early test of $x pulled out of a supposedly "not for end users" repo broke their system and the other half is spent writing status updates it's pretty much impossible to get anything out consistently. Hence why some of us don't announce non-trivial projects on public mailing lists, and instead keep any discussion on -core and sekrit IRC channels. That's how what's now known as eselect was developed, and it turned out far nicer than the XML-laden aborted gentoo-config project precisely because of the lack of end user 'input'. I mean, as a purely hypothetical example... Could you imagine just how many dumb feature requests, questions and requests for code from the unwashed masses someone would get if they admitted to having an early alpha of an alternative to Portage that didn't require Python? Having to deal with the noise would be more than enough to ensure that no more development would ever get done... --=20 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm --Sig_2AA+xPNvi.N7fW6rzRUQVw/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFENivU96zL6DUtXhERAsCuAJ9L6H5Kp3n4udYSpZ/jN8M/kL9klQCfYuCD rWr1NMKIW7K2dMHJmCoJEw4= =9y20 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_2AA+xPNvi.N7fW6rzRUQVw/-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list