From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FNyHu-00078T-OP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:26:07 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k2RKPeu7020117; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:25:40 GMT Received: from sa2.bezeqint.net (sa2.bezeqint.net [192.115.104.16]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k2RKNe3A030735 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:23:40 GMT Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sa2.bezeqint.net (Bezeq International SMTP out Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3DC933BF7 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:23:40 +0200 (IST) Received: from sa2.bezeqint.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sa2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06668-07 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:23:37 +0200 (IST) Received: from hermes.danarmak.homelinux.net (unknown [88.154.221.64]) by sa2.bezeqint.net (Bezeq International SMTP out Mail Server) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:23:37 +0200 (IST) Received: by hermes.danarmak.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3195275CB; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:13 +0200 (IST) Received: from claw (claw [10.0.2.1]) by hermes.danarmak.homelinux.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403E32754E for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:13 +0200 (IST) From: Dan Armak Organization: Gentoo Linux To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Session/.desktop WM compatibility, DM unification Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200603270003.38655.danarmak@gentoo.org> <1143471302.29952.25.camel@rivendell> In-Reply-To: <1143471302.29952.25.camel@rivendell> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4063967.Wbg6VqUXke"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200603272225.12500.danarmak@gentoo.org> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bezeqint.net X-Archives-Salt: 342a4f04-e5d7-4a89-8d29-fe701f955ef4 X-Archives-Hash: 1469eb9e19a15f729359f089fac7bae4 --nextPart4063967.Wbg6VqUXke Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 27 March 2006 16:55, foser wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 00:03 +0200, Dan Armak wrote: > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Bugs overview (probably missed some): =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > #89870: long story, summary: .desktop files are installed in different > > places. KDE only reads the KDE ones, Gnome only the Gnome ones (and both > > use a small common set). > > This doesn't really fit in the WM/DM issue afaics. The fact just is that > the alternative installations roots Gentoo KDE uses aren't dealt with in > the eg. the menu config files. It's not the only issue. Another issue is that non-KDE, e.g. Gnome, users (= at=20 least the #89870 submitter, and it seemed to me some other commenters agree= d)=20 don't want KDE apps in their menu. So even if there was just one KDE versio= n =20 and it was installed in /usr, there would be a problem. Cf the original #89870 bugreport and comments starting at #38. Assume the install prefix problem is fixed somehow. What items are displaye= d=20 in each WM's menu? Option 1: KDE only displays KDE apps, Gnome only Gnome apps. How do we deci= de=20 what is displayed in both ('neutral' apps)? Can the user edit the menu, and= =20 include some things we don't include by default, in a WM-neutral way? What= =20 should WMs other than KDE and Gnome display by default? Option 2: always display everything. Problems: huge menu. KDE and Gnome and= =20 others use different categorization. A change of the status quo, so user=20 community should get a chance to veto. And when using descriptions as prima= ry=20 menu text (e.g. 'Text editor' instead of 'kwrite'/'gedit') some KDE and Gno= me=20 programs have similar or identical descriptions, which looks bad to new=20 users. Either way, not just menu items are involved but all .desktop files. E.g.,= =20 mimetype descriptions/icons/handlers/action for graphical file managers. An= d=20 descriptions of various services, although I can't think of an example of=20 crossdesktop use offhand. > GDM has had just its own Xsession for a long time iirc. I think most > functionality provided by these other X* files are login manager (xdm?) > specific. The one real issue is Xsession. Can anyone comment regarding entrance or any other DMs? > > #14872: unifying DM session scripts, handling of ~/.xsession, etc. The > > bug is closed but I think some things mentioned there haven't been fixe= d. > > This is sort of the same as #26326 . OK. I thought I saw something unique there but can't find it now, I was=20 probably wrong. =2D-=20 Dan Armak Gentoo Linux developer (KDE) Public GPG key: http://dev.gentoo.org/~danarmak/danarmak-gpg-public.key =46ingerprint: DD70 DBF9 E3D4 6CB9 2FDD 0069 508D 9143 8D5F 8951 --nextPart4063967.Wbg6VqUXke Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEKEooUI2RQ41fiVERAss7AJ95Uu416HVCjKJ1fByDyfcD2VP7TgCePN+j n32JDWIbjM2iT+Cihlfx8w8= =F1JF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4063967.Wbg6VqUXke-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list