[gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Luca Longinotti]

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As the title says, what would you prefer for the future of MySQL in Gentoo?
Please take a moment to read
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-438557.html and vote (and
eventually comment on it).
Thanks!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Francesco Riosa]

Luca Longinotti wrote:
> As the title says, what would you prefer for the future of MySQL in
Gentoo?
> Please take a moment to read
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-438557.html and vote (and
> eventually comment on it).
> Thanks!

I've asked to Luca to have one week poll but the results [1] show
already that MySQL will be unslotted at the end.
Thank you to spend the time to do that I should do it _before_ to try
the slotting road (and may be speak with the other MySQL maintainer
before :p).

Luca (chtekk) Longinotti, will also take care of MySQL, on my request,
in a near future, then I'll stay as a backup maintainer for the time
coming, or leave if needed for whatever reason.

Before to this to happen I'll try my best to close the greatest number
of bugs still open (many already are but not committed) and manage to
bring MySQL back to the unslotted version.

[1]
Yes.  12% [ 12 ]
No.   75% [ 72 ]
No preference. 11% [ 11 ]

Best regards,
Francesco Riosa

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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Alexander Simonov]

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:28:32AM +0000, Francesco Riosa wrote:
>
>
>Before to this to happen I'll try my best to close the greatest number
>of bugs still open (many already are but not committed) and manage to
>bring MySQL back to the unslotted version.
>
>[1]
>Yes.  12% [ 12 ]
>No.   75% [ 72 ]
>No preference. 11% [ 11 ]
>
I have one question:
Who answer NO on poll?
As for me slotted version of mysql is better for hosting companies.
I can present to client anothers versions of mysql:
4.1 and 5.0 for example
In php.ini for client i only change the port where mysql php module
connected and client have 5.0 for example, but others client have 4.1 as
default. I think it's have reason.
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    Ukrainian Gentoo Community Coordinator
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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Jeremy Huddleston]

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> >Before to this to happen I'll try my best to close the greatest number
> >of bugs still open (many already are but not committed) and manage to
> >bring MySQL back to the unslotted version.
> >
> >[1]
> >Yes.  12% [ 12 ]
> >No.   75% [ 72 ]
> >No preference. 11% [ 11 ]
> >
> I have one question:
> Who answer NO on poll?

Users don't always know what's right for themselves, and I'm sure a big
percentage of these "nos" are because people don't want to go through
the hassle of figuring out how to switch to slotted, not because it's a
bad idea.  This is a MUCH NEEDED feature and one I was extremely glad
someone worked on.  Don't get rid of it.  I didn't even notice this
thread until I noticed weirdness in my mysql upgrade from slotted back
to unslotted.  For gods sake, don't get rid of this feature just because
a few users don't want to read some docs.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Doug Goldstein]

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Francesco Riosa wrote:
> Luca (chtekk) Longinotti, will also take care of MySQL, on my request,
> in a near future, then I'll stay as a backup maintainer for the time
> coming, or leave if needed for whatever reason.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone thinks you did a great job with
MySQL. Only reason I think people were against the slotted versions is
because it meant a change and actually reading configuration docs and
actually doing something. Because emerge -uD world magically didn't make
everything work with the latest upstream all of a sudden.

I know I avoided the slotted upgrade for a bit just cause I didn't have
time to learn anything new for a couple of days but once I did it seemed
good.

Forget public opinion, stick to it and support it and it will catch on.
And it'll show another good power of Gentoo. Example being for hosting
companies like mentioned by Alexander.


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http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/


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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Ramon van Alteren]

No dev but +1 from me.
I liked slotted mysql a lot and use it extensively.

It has helped us tremendously during our upgrade path and I would be 
very sad to see it go.

Public opinion is just that, public opinion, doesn't neccesarily mean 
something went wrong.

FWIW, I'd like to keep the slotted mysql ebuilds. If they are removed 
from the tree I'll re-add them to our local frozen tree for our company.

We're not a hosting company BTW, we just run lots of mysql daemons ;-)

Ramon

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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Luca Longinotti]

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Ramon van Alteren wrote:
> No dev but +1 from me.
> I liked slotted mysql a lot and use it extensively.
> 
> It has helped us tremendously during our upgrade path and I would be
> very sad to see it go.
> 
> Public opinion is just that, public opinion, doesn't neccesarily mean
> something went wrong.
> 
> FWIW, I'd like to keep the slotted mysql ebuilds. If they are removed
> from the tree I'll re-add them to our local frozen tree for our company.
> 
> We're not a hosting company BTW, we just run lots of mysql daemons ;-)
> 
> Ramon
> 

Slotted MySQL will definitely go away from the main Portage tree, there
only the normal MySQL ebuilds will remain. Atm we're setting up an
overlay for MySQL, so there you'll still be able to download the slotted
ebuilds and eventually if someone's intersted he can maintain them/bring
them to a usable, better state or whatever, but we (MySQL Herd) won't do
that at the moment and will only maintain and provide non-slotted MySQL
ebuilds.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Francesco Riosa]

Ramon van Alteren wrote:
> No dev but +1 from me.
> I liked slotted mysql a lot and use it extensively.
> 
> It has helped us tremendously during our upgrade path and I would be 
> very sad to see it go.
> 
> Public opinion is just that, public opinion, doesn't neccesarily mean 
> something went wrong.
> 
> FWIW, I'd like to keep the slotted mysql ebuilds. If they are removed 
> from the tree I'll re-add them to our local frozen tree for our company.
> 
> We're not a hosting company BTW, we just run lots of mysql daemons ;-)
> 
> Ramon
> 

Thanks to Stuart hosting it's avaiable again

Browse:
$ http://svn.gnqs.org/projects/gentoo-mysql-overlay/browser/slotted
Checkout:
$ svn co http://svn.gnqs.org/svn/gentoo-mysql-overlay/slotted slotted

I did not have the time to test it, and in the near future I will also 
be rather busy.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Michael Cummings]

On Thursday 09 March 2006 11:00, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone thinks you did a great job with
> MySQL. 

Ditto - and I voted against a slotted mysql at that :/

Maybe there needs to be an IWANTSLOTS feature or something, because the same 
rationale for why I was against a slotted mysql would have other people 
against a slotted kde, or slotted perl (ouch, so close to home, even if its 
conceptually fictional) - I neither need nor desire having multiple copies of 
the application available on one box, when i am only ever going to connect to 
one running copy.

Hmmmm...a feature flag that (where applicable) disabled retaining other slots 
might be nice come to think of it....<hijack thread accidently>....disabled 
for the packages you need multiples of (berkdb?) but optionally enabled for 
packages like WM's and relational DB's where you just might not want more 
copies...or to remember to go back and unmerge and track the stray files 
for....</end accidental hijack>

Just my 2cents. Don't take the vote results the wrong way - at leat you know 
people cared enough to comment, which means your working on something 
worthwhile :)

~mcummings
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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Jeremy Huddleston]

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> Maybe there needs to be an IWANTSLOTS feature or something, because the same 
> rationale for why I was against a slotted mysql would have other people 
> against a slotted kde, or slotted perl (ouch, so close to home, even if its 
> conceptually fictional) - I neither need nor desire having multiple copies of 
> the application available on one box, when i am only ever going to connect to 
> one running copy.

Maybe I'm misreading your comment here, but I don't see how "I only want
to install one version" is an argument against having the _ability_ to
install multiple versions.  Just because you neither need nor desire it
doesn't mean it's not extremely useful to many other users.

> Hmmmm...a feature flag that (where applicable) disabled retaining other slots
> might be nice come to think of it....<hijack thread accidently>....disabled 
> for the packages you need multiples of (berkdb?) but optionally enabled for 
> packages like WM's and relational DB's where you just might not want more 
> copies...or to remember to go back and unmerge and track the stray files 
> for....</end accidental hijack>

That seems like a lot of work for something that is easily done through:

emerge --prune -p
then
emerge --unmerge <the ones you want>



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Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Francesco Riosa]

Luca Longinotti wrote:
> As the title says, what would you prefer for the future of MySQL in Gentoo?
> Please take a moment to read
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-438557.html and vote (and
> eventually comment on it).
> Thanks!


http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125599

deprecation of "Slotted MySQL Upgrade and Migration Guide"




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[gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

[Luca Longinotti]

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As the title says, what would you prefer for the future of MySQL in Gentoo?
Please take a moment to read
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-438557.html and vote (and
eventually comment on it).
Thanks!
-- 
Best regards,
Luca Longinotti aka CHTEKK

LongiTEKK Networks Admin: chtekk@longitekk.com
Gentoo Dev: chtekk@gentoo.org
SysCP Dev: chtekk@syscp.org
TILUG Supporter: chtekk@tilug.ch

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