From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FEEdW-0002jK-4F for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:52:10 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SNnr2N013086; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:49:53 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SNjOJw005626 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:45:24 GMT Received: from rl03 by smtp.gentoo.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1FEEXW-0005kB-SK for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:45:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:45:58 +0000 From: Renat Lumpau To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Message-ID: <20060228234558.GB20443@toucan.gentoo.org> References: <20060227213321.7ee405ec@snowdrop.home> <200602281539.43661.vapier@gentoo.org> <905929917.20060228220239@gentoo.org> <200602281631.37594.vapier@gentoo.org> <20060228215040.GL11818@toucan.gentoo.org> <4404CB49.2080402@gentoo.org> <20060228223650.GA20443@toucan.gentoo.org> <20060228233432.GA8557@aerie.halcy0n.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Y7xTucakfITjPcLV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060228233432.GA8557@aerie.halcy0n.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Archives-Salt: 80a97abd-b508-400f-a0c7-781250ffce5f X-Archives-Hash: 882007cc0433e72ea5996900f1398c5a --Y7xTucakfITjPcLV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:34:32PM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: > Renat Lumpau said: > > Yes. Here's a quote from Halcy0n (with his permission): > >=20 > > Don't mistake me not getting involved for approval. I am just not go= ing to > > get involved in every single dev->dev disagreement, and certainly not= when I > > do not have all of the facts. I wasn't aware that every team leader = was > > accountable for how devs on their team behaved. > >=20 > > This is not meant as a comment on Halcy0n's abilities as a team leader,= as I > > understand he has attempted to manage the issue but "reasonable effort"= has > > failed. > >=20 > > So, my concern is: if the QA team can't manage its members effectively,= should > > they be entrusted with tree-wide powers? >=20 > Since one dev so far has stepped "out of line", and this is by no means t= he > only time it has happened, I don't see how this argument has any > merit. If it becomes a pattern where all members of the QA team are > causing problems, then I can see it as being valid. >=20 > I don't think you will find one person that is going to say they are > capable of changing how Ciaran interacts with people. This is an > entirely different issue though, and I have talked to Ciaran about it. > What I was saying above is that I am not going to go and get involved > every single time someone has a disagreement. This situation has > obviously grown to be ridiculous and I have had a talk with him about > it, so he knows my feelings on the situation, and what I expect. So you're saying it's ok to have one team member who steps out of line and cannot be managed? Are all teams allowed that exception? --=20 Renat Lumpau all things web-apps C6A838DA 04AF B5EE 17CB 1000 DDA5 D3FC 1338 ADC2 C6A8 38DA America - land of the free* *Void where prohibited, restrictions apply. Cash value 1/100c. --Y7xTucakfITjPcLV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEBOC2EzitwsaoONoRAkxqAKDaOmZ51zFYboZLQBHDEX5NBcAk6wCgxo00 GSdNm/DPbDrZkTFNpzahKnQ= =STlO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y7xTucakfITjPcLV-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list